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PR19_Kit

Quote from: NARSES2 on October 20, 2019, 07:01:32 AM

Very much so, especially on a single Peregrin, indeed I've alluded to it slightly in the backstory. But she was only built to see if the concept would actually work and any production type would have been way bigger with a much bigger engine.  ;)


A Griffon engined version with a 5 bladed prop would be truly awesome!  :thumbsup:

Or maybe even a contra-prop? Now that WOULD look amazing!  :o
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JayBee

Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 20, 2019, 08:06:43 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on October 20, 2019, 07:01:32 AM

Very much so, especially on a single Peregrin, indeed I've alluded to it slightly in the backstory. But she was only built to see if the concept would actually work and any production type would have been way bigger with a much bigger engine.  ;)


A Griffon engined version with a 5 bladed prop would be truly awesome!  :thumbsup:

Or maybe even a contra-prop? Now that WOULD look amazing!  :o

You are forgetting the LONGER WINGS!
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PR19_Kit

Quote from: JayBee on October 20, 2019, 08:21:13 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 20, 2019, 08:06:43 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on October 20, 2019, 07:01:32 AM

Very much so, especially on a single Peregrin, indeed I've alluded to it slightly in the backstory. But she was only built to see if the concept would actually work and any production type would have been way bigger with a much bigger engine.  ;)


A Griffon engined version with a 5 bladed prop would be truly awesome!  :thumbsup:

Or maybe even a contra-prop? Now that WOULD look amazing!  :o

You are forgetting the LONGER WINGS!


They go without saying of course.

It would be a mid-engined Welkin, wouldn't it?   ;) ;D
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

crudebuteffective

sorry but have to ask the question

apart from luft 46 paper projects type thing .... has anyone ever actually built an aircraft with the props in that configuration ?

CBE
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Weaver

That looks great Chris - well done!  :thumbsup:

It's not that underpowered either: it's got a better power:weight ratio than a Wellesley at MTOW. Of course, it's also got less than half the Wellesley's wing area, so it would probably need a very long runway and/or the curvature of the Earth to get up to flying speed, but that wouldn't matter much for a proof-of-concept type.
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scooter

Quote from: Weaver on October 20, 2019, 11:41:40 AM
That looks great Chris - well done!  :thumbsup:

It's not that underpowered either: it's got a better power:weight ratio than a Wellesley at MTOW. Of course, it's also got less than half the Wellesley's wing area, so it would probably need a very long runway and/or the curvature of the Earth to get up to flying speed, but that wouldn't matter much for a proof-of-concept type.

Put it on a cradle, strap a rocket motor to it and turn it into a ZELL Point Defense fighter. :wacko:
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Quote from: crudebuteffective on October 20, 2019, 10:40:36 AM
sorry but have to ask the question

apart from luft 46 paper projects type thing .... has anyone ever actually built an aircraft with the props in that configuration ?

CBE

Somewhat earlier but "Yes!"

Gallaudet D-4;





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I have found many other ones (no, no, our Narses2 is not crazy at all  ;D ) in "the complete book of fighters"
- aft of the wing: Galvin HC, RAF FE-3, RAF FE-6, Vickers 161, Dufaux Fighter
- in front of the wing: SPAD SG.1, SA-2, SA-3
- in front of the forward crew: Nieuport Ni 17 bis dérivé I
I am going to draw 3 P-38 Lightnings in these ways to complete, more whatifly... ;)
to complete the ones I drew a long time ago:


[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

NARSES2

Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 20, 2019, 08:06:43 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on October 20, 2019, 07:01:32 AM

Very much so, especially on a single Peregrin, indeed I've alluded to it slightly in the backstory. But she was only built to see if the concept would actually work and any production type would have been way bigger with a much bigger engine.  ;)


A Griffon engined version with a 5 bladed prop would be truly awesome!  :thumbsup:

Or maybe even a contra-prop? Now that WOULD look amazing!  :o

I was thinking of a RR Eagle as in the Wyvern Mk I ? Then maybe a Python. With the propeller mounted in the mid fuselage position it would probably need a contra-prop
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NARSES2

Quote from: crudebuteffective on October 20, 2019, 10:40:36 AM
sorry but have to ask the question

apart from luft 46 paper projects type thing .... has anyone ever actually built an aircraft with the props in that configuration ?

CBE

Mr Wombat's already answered with pictures  :thumbsup:, but apart from that Gallaudet I only know of references to some WWI types that used this configuration, all others were paper designs. That doesn't mean that someone, somewhere hasn't ?
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Tophe

Quote from: NARSES2 on October 21, 2019, 06:35:19 AM
Quote from: crudebuteffective on October 20, 2019, 10:40:36 AM
sorry but have to ask the question
apart from luft 46 paper projects type thing .... has anyone ever actually built an aircraft with the props in that configuration ?
Mr Wombat's already answered with pictures  :thumbsup:, but apart from that Gallaudet I only know of references to some WWI types that used this configuration, all others were paper designs. That doesn't mean that someone, somewhere hasn't ?
It seems my list of 8 other types did not interest, I don't understand why.
Concerning similar P-38s, I was unable to draw for 5 days because my Corel Draw software was in a jam. As nobody here seems interested, I will continue on my CGI topic, if I succeed in making the software work again, despite my faulty processor (according to Corel Support Team, refusing to help)...
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NARSES2

I particular like the middle one on the top row Tophe  :thumbsup:

It reminds me of a Henschel project ?
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Tophe

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chrisonord

I like the  one right in the middle,  sort of a jet powered/ turbo prop P38, and the propeller blades  are attached to the rear of the engine  somewhere.  That would  be noisy   :wacko:
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NARSES2

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