My Stash Grew Again 2020

[Flyer]

You sure about that? AFAIK none of the 88 series had endplate fins, they all only had the one fin... But I'm no experten either... 

Junkers seemed to switch from single to twin fins alternately.

The 188 had one fin, the 288 had two (perhaps logically  ) the 388 went back to one and the 488 had two again. See the Wiki pages below.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_288

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_488

Alrightythen, didn't know that, the 4 engine variant looks interesting.

[DogfighterZen]

These two items were delivered yesterday, the Revell 1/48 Apache came from Germany and the shelf supports for my display cabinet came from the uk, both through ebay.
The Apache is not one of my favorite choppers so i'm not sure if this one won't end up as a parts donor for some ideas i have in mind involving a Gazelle...

[su27rules]

[TheChronicOne]

Thank you my friends for the birthday wishes and singing.  I appreciate it.

I have a variation of that A Model Yak in the stash Brad C and built one a while ago.  It takes commitment but it's worth it in the end.  Make sure you wash the parts.  Those in mine were still sticky with what I presume (and hope) was mould release.

Thanks for the intel, brotha!!!!   I'm a sucker for the Soviet jet-era glass noses and the engines are cool. Now.... what to do with it.... could wind up making it historically correct but then what use would I be?!

[jcf]

Happy  belated birthday Fred
My hasegawa  F-102a arrived this morning, I  remember building one as a kid and getting  frustrated with the  weapons bay doors as they  looked like a  concertina.  This kit has 6 of the the vague representations of falcon  missiles, the 106 has just 2. You would have thought that  they would have  made a bit more effort with the missiles, as the weapons set versions  are nothing  like them 
Nevermind.  I am  thinking of a  different  job and different  operator for this  as I want to build it as a 2 seater.  It could well  get standoff nuclear weapons or Martell missiles, with the  weapons bay sealed up and  used for extra fuel.
Chris

The 1/72nd F-102A kit predates the Weapons Set by a very long time. The F-102A dates to 1969, the weapons set
with the Falcons was a new tool in 1987.

[chrisonord]

Happy  belated birthday Fred
My hasegawa  F-102a arrived this morning, I  remember building one as a kid and getting  frustrated with the  weapons bay doors as they  looked like a  concertina.  This kit has 6 of the the vague representations of falcon  missiles, the 106 has just 2. You would have thought that  they would have  made a bit more effort with the missiles, as the weapons set versions  are nothing  like them 
Nevermind.  I am  thinking of a  different  job and different  operator for this  as I want to build it as a 2 seater.  It could well  get standoff nuclear weapons or Martell missiles, with the  weapons bay sealed up and  used for extra fuel.
Chris

The 1/72nd F-102A kit predates the Weapons Set by a very long time. The F-102A dates to 1969, the weapons set
with the Falcons was a new tool in 1987.

Cheers John, it would  still have  been nice  to modify the kit  perhaps, maybe  don't you think 
Chris

[zenrat]

Thank you my friends for the birthday wishes and singing.  I appreciate it.

I have a variation of that A Model Yak in the stash Brad C and built one a while ago.  It takes commitment but it's worth it in the end.  Make sure you wash the parts.  Those in mine were still sticky with what I presume (and hope) was mould release.

Thanks for the intel, brotha!!!!   I'm a sucker for the Soviet jet-era glass noses and the engines are cool. Now.... what to do with it.... could wind up making it historically correct but then what use would I be?!

https://www.whatifmodellers.com/index.php?topic=44754.msg795313#msg795313

[Dizzyfugu]

Probably the last model purchase 2020 (but you never know... ): an AZUR 1:72 Breguet Br 695, with the plan to build it as a (whiffy) Swedish S10.

[Pellson]

... plan to build it as a (whiffy) Swedish S10.

Awesome!
If you need any RSwAF specific background story info - or particular decals, let us know!

[Rheged]

... plan to build it as a (whiffy) Swedish S10.

Awesome!
If you need any RSwAF specific background story info - or particular decals, let us know!

This post is an example of why I like Whiffworld!  Offers of help and encouragement and none of the nit-picking, pedantry, one-upmanship or outpourings of bile and anger.   Yes, I know we are not perfect but compared with  many other sites I have frequented, this place is an oasis of calm, moderation and sense.  Thank you all for making it so.

[Dizzyfugu]

Well, AFAIK, Sweden ordered an export type of the Br 693, the 694, which had the original Gnome-Rhône engines. However, I liked the idea of the 695 with its P&W engines as an alternative, also because Sweden built that engine without license during WWII.

[Pellson]

Well, AFAIK, Sweden ordered an export type of the Br 693, the 694, which had the original Gnome-Rhône engines. However, I liked the idea of the 695 with its P&W engines as an alternative, also because Sweden built that engine without license during WWII.

True that. 12 was ordered for long range reconnaissance but none delivered. Instead, Sweden managed to add to an order for strike bombers, eventually buying 37 Italian Caproni Ca 313 for both roles. However, it was soon found out that they just weren't up for the strike task and in the end, most were used for recon. Other alternatives we tried to get was the Fokker G1 from the Netherlands and the Dornier Do 215 from the Germans. Neither was delivered despite downpayments having been made

The Capronis were delivered in 1942 and were initially used by two bomber squadrons at the Seventh Wing (F7) at Satenas, not far from Lidköping and by the reconnaissance squadron at the Third Wing (F3) in Linköping. During 1943, all were transferred to the new specialised reconnaissance wing, the Eleventh Wing at Nykoping, south of Stockholm. Nevertheless, they operated from many different airfields in southern and western Sweden to keep a watchful eye on the surrounding WW2. 
The Capronis were appreciated for their nimble handling, but they were also felt to be somewhat fragile and the Isotta Fraschini engines were pretty maintenance intensive in Swedish service. They also had an annoying tendency to catch fire spontaneously, making the aircraft feared by some. In the end, 21 out of the 37 received were lost, too many with crew. Despite this, they were heavily employed, almost daily flying just outside the borders to the territorial waters of Denmark, Germany, Poland and the Baltic States. This was dangerous business, not only due to the combustible nature of Italian design. On the 14th, 15th and 23 of May 1944, three Capronis were shot down over international waters in the Baltic and Oresund, respectively. Nine men were lost, and after the war, investigations found that these were deliberate attacks ordered by the Luftwaffe high command, very much in violation of the neutrality tractates.

In defence of the original design, this loss ration wasn't entirely uncommon at the time, and it was worsened by the fact that the aircraft were manufactured from wartime low quality material but also used in Sweden in a way not intended by the manufacturer, for instance as dive bombers.

All the Capronis initially kept their italian camouflage from delivery and later, they were repainted in similar mottled camouflage but with Swedish colours. Individual a/c markings sported large white bort no:s on engine cowlings and tail, and smaller black (later yellow) wing numbers aft of the fuselage roundel. Squadron colours weren't used on these, but on the SAAB B17 and S18 that replaces the Capronis, (both incidentally employing the pirate copied P&W engine), a ring on the cowling gave the Sqn. As the war drew to a close, most replaced bort no:s with letters, coloured with the sqn colour. However, the Capronis never got letters or the two-tone camo scheme. The rather large pic below show a strike bomber from the F7 wing.



From a Breguet perspective, you could assume service as per the Capronis and paintwork either as per french standard, mottled as per the Caproni or the Republic P-35 (J9 in Sweden) or Swedish all green over light grey, possibly depending on period. See colour charts >HERE<.

This was good fun! I haven't gone diving in my Swedish library for quite some time.  Any other info, pictures or stuff - DM me. As for most people, your own Air Force is what got you started on this modelling in the first place. Isn't it? 

[Dizzyfugu]

This post is an example of why I like Whiffworld!  Offers of help and encouragement and none of the nit-picking, pedantry, one-upmanship or outpourings of bile and anger.   Yes, I know we are not perfect but compared with  many other sites I have frequented, this place is an oasis of calm, moderation and sense.  Thank you all for making it so.

Agree, this is the USP of this place here: a very liberal and rather supportive tone, with respect for other people's interpretations of ideas and their executions. Looking down on something is so easy, too easy on platforms like this. I am glad that this is a very stable exception. 

And never be afraid of perfection: You will never encounter it...

[NARSES2]

And never be afraid of perfection: You will never encounter it...

So true 

[Dizzyfugu]

From a Breguet perspective, you could assume service as per the Capronis and paintwork either as per french standard, mottled as per the Caproni or the Republic P-35 (J9 in Sweden) or Swedish all green over light grey, possibly depending on period. See colour charts >HERE<.

This was good fun! I haven't gone diving in my Swedish library for quite some time.  Any other info, pictures or stuff - DM me. As for most people, your own Air Force is what got you started on this modelling in the first place. Isn't it? 

Thansk a lot for the link and the moral support. I know the Swedish IPMS website, some very nice stuff there, esp. the paint reference tables. Plan is actually to depict the Br 695 as it might have entered service: with the original French camouflage in grey/green&bown, with blue roundels w/o yellow border yet, and number codes instead of letters for the individual aircraft. Very "dry", but I think that this should look pretty cool. I also have a Do 215 in the stash, earmarked for similar Swedish service, too.