Prototypes G.B. the Rules

[PR19_Kit]

You could build a 'prototype' HMS Nelson/Rodney with only two turrets................... 

[Rheged]

I've got a couple of Dapol Deltics in the stash (in lurid blue plastic)  Were I to offer one of these as DP2 or even, with a huge amount of bodging and fettling, an LMS10000;  would these count?

I suppose that going totally wild with 4-6-0 running gear and trying to make a GT3 might be acceptable too.

Note for the curious: these are all British railway locomotives.

[PR19_Kit]

I've got a couple of Dapol Deltics in the stash (in lurid blue plastic)  Were I to offer one of these as DP2 or even, with a huge amount of bodging and fettling, an LMS10000;  would these count?

I suppose that going totally wild with 4-6-0 running gear and trying to make a GT3 might be acceptable too.

Note for the curious: these are all British railway locomotives.

If you can make a GT3 out of a Dapol Deltic......................... 

But a DP2 would be possible, except it wouldn't be a Whiff, would it?

The same would go for a 10000.

[NARSES2]

You could build a 'prototype' HMS Nelson/Rodney with only two turrets................... 

Would a model of the ship used to test a prototype style turret count ?

[Spey_Phantom]

i have a question, do Luft46 models in prototype markings count, or Luft46 aircraft produced by other countries under a local name?

[PR19_Kit]

You could build a 'prototype' HMS Nelson/Rodney with only two turrets................... 

Would a model of the ship used to test a prototype style turret count ?

Perhaps so, we'll discuss and come back to you Chris.

i have a question, do Luft46 models in prototype markings count, or Luft46 aircraft produced by other countries under a local name?

I'm pretty sure they would count, yes, but we'll discuss and report back.

[Rheged]

I've got a couple of Dapol Deltics in the stash (in lurid blue plastic)  Were I to offer one of these as DP2 or even, with a huge amount of bodging and fettling, an LMS10000;  would these count?

I suppose that going totally wild with 4-6-0 running gear and trying to make a GT3 might be acceptable too.

Note for the curious: these are all British railway locomotives.

If you can make a GT3 out of a Dapol Deltic......................... 

But a DP2 would be possible, except it wouldn't be a Whiff, would it?

The same would go for a 10000.

In that case, I'll have to assume that the DP2 design was followed up by a DP3, or that the LMS used ideas from 10000 and 10001 to build an improved version.

The GT4 will use an old 4-6-0 set of running gear I have, and copious quantities of plasticard and/or balsa

[zenrat]

How were prototype armoured vehicles painted?  Surely they would have been almost indistinguishable from in service examples.

I'm glad i'm not modding this one.  You guys have got your work cut out,  But I think you are the perfect pair to do the job,

[NARSES2]

How were prototype armoured vehicles painted?  Surely they would have been almost indistinguishable from in service examples.

Wartime ones would be almost indistinguishable, if not completely so, but sometimes they were just painted in primer. The Maus mock-up is a classic example of that. Post War ones could be painted in a company demonstration scheme ? I think I've seen something like that.

I'm glad i'm not modding this one.  You guys have got your work cut out,  But I think you are the perfect pair to do the job,

I agree with you it's going to be a difficult one, especially in the initial stages, so I think we need to support our Moderators and give them the time they need to mull any questions over.

[tigercat]

How  about  making the model a model so ship builders models , mock ups etc.  of proposed designs or does that overly complicate things

[PR19_Kit]

How were prototype armoured vehicles painted?  Surely they would have been almost indistinguishable from in service examples.

I'm glad i'm not modding this one.  You guys have got your work cut out,  But I think you are the perfect pair to do the job,

I've only ever seen one prototype 'tank' and was a Chieftain AVRE, and it was about 25 shades of grey, with some panels still in the bare metal, and rusty bare metal too! But it was a pretty old prototype and had had a lot of testing hours by then.

And yes, we HAVE got our work cut out. 

[NARSES2]

How  about  making the model a model so ship builders models , mock ups etc.  of proposed designs or does that overly complicate things

A couple of my family members were ship wrights and worked on some of those models during their apprenticeships. It's quite interesting being in Sunderland Museum and seeing models on display that they built.

[PR19_Kit]

We've done our mod thing and you're both OK with those ideas Chris & Nils. 

Tigercat, you're OK with a model of  a model too. 

[Dizzyfugu]

How were prototype armoured vehicles painted?  Surely they would have been almost indistinguishable from in service examples.

Depends on the operator. US Army prototype vehicles after WWII used to be painted in an overall, dark olive drab tone - I did one some time ago:

1:72 T110E3 tank hunter, 2nd prototype during U.S. Army trials; Aberdeen Proving Ground, 1957 (ModellTrans/Silesian Models conversion kit on ESCI M48A2 hull) by dizzyfugu, on Flickr

German post WWII tanks looked similar, an overall olive drab tone (like anything else in active duty).

German WWII tanks depend on the era - the later during the war, the less sophisticated things might have looked, e .g. an overall Dunkelgelb livery, or parts or even fully left in a brick red primer.

[jcf]

After doing a trawl through various Hunnicut books, the majority of US Army T__ pilot vehicles have been
in whatever the standard colour was with minimal markings. Generally just some variation on US Army and
the vehicle registration number, some had their T number painted somewhere on the vehicle, the details vary
over time but one thing stands out, the majority do not have the white star marking. 

Interestingly a full-size mockup of the T6(M6) Heavy Tank was built before the project was given the go ahead.