Supplemental Guidance

[ChernayaAkula]

Is a proof-of-concept vehicle a prototype in the sense of this GB? Saab 210 Lilldraken or MiG-21I/A-144 Analog, for instance. I guess the wing of the Analog is a prototype, while the aircraft itself wasn't a model for something that would be produced in greater numbers (and was never intended to be).

Asking for a 1/72 Lightning fuselage and some 1/200 Concorde wings.... 

[PR19_Kit]

As we've said before, so long as it's PAINTED as a prototype, and is a Whiff (and a Concorde winged Lightning certainly would be) you'll be OK.

[ChernayaAkula]

Great! 
I guess I misunderstood Jon's sentence regarding X-planes. I thought it also included whiffed X-planes.

[jcf]

Great! 
I guess I misunderstood Jon's sentence regarding X-planes. I thought it also included whiffed X-planes.

Purely experimental research X-Planes are out, things like what you mention are in because they're used as aids in the development of a specific project that is intended
for production, whether or not production was realized being irrelevant.

[ChernayaAkula]

Okay. Good.    I guess what I was trying to say with the wings of the Analog being prototypes was not just smart-a$$ery, then. 

[Gondor]

If I understand correctly, a Whiff WWII Greman aircraft in camouflage woould be ok as long as it had a V number on it and no operational squadron markings such as the arrows, bars or numbers with colour bands, nose or wing tips?

Gondor

[PR19_Kit]

If I understand correctly, a Whiff WWII Greman aircraft in camouflage woould be ok as long as it had a V number on it and no operational squadron markings such as the arrows, bars or numbers with colour bands, nose or wing tips?

I think so, but....................

Jon?

(sometimes the time zones work with us, sometimes not.........)

[zenrat]

Japanese aircraft prototypes were painted all over orange until some point towards the end of the war* when they started painting them in operational colours,


*presumably when Allied bombers started overflying the airfields.

[NARSES2]

Japanese aircraft prototypes were painted all over orange until some point towards the end of the war* when they started painting them in operational colours,


*presumably when Allied bombers started overflying the airfields.

Or they were sometimes given green upper surfaces and orange lower surfaces. Similarly British prototypes with yellow lower surfaces. War time prototypes tend to put safety first scheme wise.

[jcf]

If I understand correctly, a Whiff WWII Greman aircraft in camouflage woould be ok as long as it had a V number on it and no operational squadron markings such as the arrows, bars or numbers with colour bands, nose or wing tips?

I think so, but....................

Jon?

(sometimes the time zones work with us, sometimes not.........)

Yes, especially as you get into the late war period and the various shades of greys become more dominant,
the result being they start to resemble the overall RLM 02 schemes of earlier years. Another thing to think
about is creating a fictional standardized testing scheme for German aircraft, something like the standard
schemes used by the UK and Imperial Japan. Perhaps based on the overall RLM 02 that seems to have been
standard for a period, late war you could add squiggles or patches of colour on top surfaces over an RLM 02
base leaving the underside in RLM 02.

Standardized codes could be the manufacturer codes, or the E, E2, and E7 of the Rechlin test center:
FO - Focke-Wulf
DN - BFW (Regensburg)
HS - Henschel
JU - Junkers
DJ - Heinkel
NO - Heinkel
CE - BFW (Messerschmitt)
HE - Heinkel

All of which would be in contrast to the generally all over the map codes of actual Luftwaffe prototypes. 

Luftwaffe codes list:
http://www.ww2.dk/misc/unitid.htm

[Gondor]

Thanks Jon though I think I will stick with the standard scheme and just use codes and V numbers if that's all right.

Gondor

[jcf]

Thanks Jon though I think I will stick with the standard scheme and just use codes and V numbers if that's all right.

Gondor

Of course, it's your model. 

It just got me thinking about notions for a standardized Luftwaffe prototype paint and
markings scheme.

[Leading Observer]

Real world projects that stumbled at the gate are more than welcome, with the proviso,
as Kit stated, that they be finished in a non-service scheme.

In the case of the Gloster it would have gone through manufacturer's flight testing etc. well
before being delivered to the customer, if it ever was that is, what with the rapidly changing
situation in China.

Would the Boeing XF-32 be acceptable finished in say "Raspberry Ripple" or QinetiQ livery be acceptable?

[Doug K]

I think the heat of the Pegasus engine would have been too much for the cardboard P.1154.....

Worse still, it was supposed to be 2 vectored Speys, with plenum chamber burning 🔥🔥🔥

[PR19_Kit]

Would the Boeing XF-32 be acceptable finished in say "Raspberry Ripple" or QinetiQ livery be acceptable?

I don't think so.

Being in Raspberry Ripple or a Qinetic scheme would indicate that the aircraft had been already adopted by the military, which means it's out of the acceptable area for this GB.

What do you think Jon?

(In any case the F-32 is SO ugly that we'd probably ban it just on that basis!  )