Humbrol Finally Going to Dropper type bottles.

Old Wombat · August 04, 2020, 07:44:49 AM

Quote from: Mossie on August 04, 2020, 05:09:14 AM
Quote from: ChernayaAkula on August 03, 2020, 03:27:27 PM
Someone suggested a small nut instead of a ball for even easier stirring, which makes some sense.

I've never been able to find them in quantity. I've also been wary of adding them to acrylics as I've heard in some instances they can rust. I probably should bite the bullet and buy some online.

Stainless steel is your go to for either ball bearings or small nuts - preferably NOT Chinese, as the quality is crap & they DO rust.

Mossie · August 04, 2020, 11:32:41 AM

Thanks guys, I'll go hunting online.

NARSES2 · August 05, 2020, 12:21:29 AM

Quote from: Old Wombat on August 04, 2020, 07:44:49 AM

Stainless steel is your go to for either ball bearings or small nuts - preferably NOT Chinese, as the quality is crap & they DO rust.

As someone who worked in the industry I totally agree. Nowhere near as bad as it was in the 80/90/00's but you still get what you pay for. Same for anything described as "stainless steel". I won't bore you with why

zenrat · August 05, 2020, 03:40:57 AM

BNA Modelworld have a number of different shaking solutions.
https://www.bnamodelworld.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=0&keyword=balls

NARSES2 · August 05, 2020, 05:42:15 AM

Quote from: zenrat on August 05, 2020, 03:40:57 AM
BNA Modelworld have a number of different shaking solutions.
https://www.bnamodelworld.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=0&keyword=balls

For some reason that link and the page it leads to tickles my sense of humour

I shall go and stand in the corner

Old Wombat · August 05, 2020, 08:23:24 AM

Quote from: NARSES2 on August 05, 2020, 05:42:15 AM
Quote from: zenrat on August 05, 2020, 03:40:57 AM
BNA Modelworld have a number of different shaking solutions.
https://www.bnamodelworld.com/index.php?main_page=advanced_search_result&search_in_description=0&keyword=balls

For some reason that link and the page it leads to tickles my sense of humour I shall go and stand in the corner

I like "Mr Metal Balls" but I have one of these

"Stainless Steel Shakers (250 Balls)" by AK Interactive.

No signs of any rust & I've recycled a few of them (some, however, have disappeared into model aircraft).

NARSES2 · August 06, 2020, 06:56:01 AM

I bought half a dozen or so old style film tubs full off a guy at a show a few years ago and that should see me through as I don't build that many models that need them. I also have a lot of lead tyre weights I got from a friend who was a mechanic, but I prefer the balls. Unless I need to get some aggression out of my system and then I take a hammer to the tyre weights.

jcf · August 06, 2020, 10:42:05 AM

Quote from: NARSES2 on August 05, 2020, 12:21:29 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on August 04, 2020, 07:44:49 AM

Stainless steel is your go to for either ball bearings or small nuts - preferably NOT Chinese, as the quality is crap & they DO rust.
As someone who worked in the industry I totally agree. Nowhere near as bad as it was in the 80/90/00's but you still get what you pay for. Same for anything described as "stainless steel". I won't bore you with why

Ah, yes 'stainless steel'. I had to explain to a fellow one time that the reason his 'stainless steel' bow railing
on his sailboat was rusting after one season was that the 'stainless' in the cheap unit he purchased wasn't a
'marine grade' alloy, and most definitely wasn't suited for Hawai'i.

In the boatie world ya definitely gets whats ya pays for.

Old Wombat · August 07, 2020, 02:05:14 AM

When I buy stainless steel, for anything I require it for, it's always marine grade.

NARSES2 · August 07, 2020, 06:38:22 AM

Quote from: joncarrfarrelly on August 06, 2020, 10:42:05 AM

Ah, yes 'stainless steel'. I had to explain to a fellow one time that the reason his 'stainless steel' bow railing
on his sailboat was rusting after one season was that the 'stainless' in the cheap unit he purchased wasn't a
'marine grade' alloy, and most definitely wasn't suited for Hawai'i.

I've had similar conversations Jon and people always look at me incredulously and say "but it's stainless steel"

Old Wombat · August 07, 2020, 07:38:14 AM

My brother-in-law (wife's brother) hates Chinese steel, cement, tools, ... well, anything, really, ... because the quality just isn't there, to the point where it's actually dangerous, yet people in his industry still use it ..... He's in the construction industry.

NARSES2 · August 07, 2020, 07:44:43 AM

In fairness some of the steel coming out of their more modern plants is as good as you will get anywhere, however there is no great cost differential between that and what you can get domestically.

Too many consumers use the lower quality stuff because they do make substantial cost savings. Obviously I've no idea what certification procedures are like elsewhere but here in the UK they are quite tough. However there are a lot of applications where safety doesn't really matter and then cost is the major driver to its use. So what if your customer finds that the head of a screw is virtually ruined by the simple act of using a screwdriver

They are not going to take the packet back

zenrat · August 07, 2020, 06:48:07 PM

I've had chinese made stainless steel woodscrews where i've been able to shear the heads off with a hand screwdriver.
They tend to be the ones that come provided to attach the chinese made fitting I am using at the time and so were presumably sourced based on cost.

I've long presumed that the materials, tools, and equipment they use IN China are superior to the cheap crap they ship overseas. Surely they get to keep the good stuff at home?
Has anyone here actually been to China and visited a construction site for example?

PR19_Kit · August 08, 2020, 05:28:37 AM

Quote from: zenrat on August 07, 2020, 06:48:07 PM

Has anyone here actually been to China and visited a construction site for example?

I've not been there, but I worked on a big project for a Chinese customer who'd bought one of our test rigs, and they sent a whole team of guys to the UK to commission the system here in a big hangar at Southampton Airport. They wanted to build a facsimile of their test lab over here, but didn't like our hydraulic ring main down at ankle level, so they insisted on doing it THEIR way.

Another large bunch of their guy arrived bringing a plane load of BAMBOO SCAFFOLDING with them, which they promptly installed way up in the eaves of the hangar! It was held together with what looked like strong(-ish...) string!!

I made sure I wasn't walking anywhere under that lot when the pumps were running I can tell you!

Stainless steel fastenings of ANY sort would have felt a lot safer....

NARSES2 · August 08, 2020, 06:12:22 AM

Quote from: zenrat on August 07, 2020, 06:48:07 PM

Has anyone here actually been to China and visited a construction site for example?

Yup. Been twice.

Once on a holiday tour when I'd retired. Fantastic country and people, if you ever get the chance then go.

Whilst I was still working they were looking at modernising their steel industry and were getting help from all over the place. I managed to get myself included in one of the UK groups that went and it was fascinating. Their kit ranged from 10 tonne blast furnaces from back in Mao's "a blast furnace in every village" programme to state of the art BOS and Arc furnaces. My more knowledgeable colleagues were impressed by the quality of some of their output which was as good as anywhere's, but the majority of it was no where near Western European standards. I assume the ratio of good to poor has improved but there'll still be a lot of stuff made in older kit.

You should note that when Eastern Europe and Russia first opened up to the West most of their stuff was rubbish as well. It didn't take them long to get up to date though. Although as a steel works is probably a 50 year investment at minimum you can still get some sub standard stuff if you really want it and that's all you want to pay.