Avro Kittleton

[chrisonord]

I  have a fuselage  engines and  wings for a frog shackleton  in my box of bits and a  complete  kit of the revell  boxing  of said kit. There is other shackleton bits but not enough to  make a  complete aircraft, so my thoughts are as follows.  Cut the spare fuselage and kit fuselage  and put a section in the front and  behind the  wings  making it  considerably longer, and cut the spare  wings  just after the  first pair of engines  and attach the  whole kit wings  giving it a bigger wingspan and an extra set of engines.  Hence the  name, "KIT"tlton. I  have  not looked at the parts.as yet as everything is packed away.  I was thinking of it being a long range  ultra heavy  bomber, capable of  bombing  parts of Russia or other Eastern  bloc  countries . The aircraft  would have  been theorized  during the  later part of ww2  , incase things took a different path. I  am thinking of having it  with turrets, but more than likely  the remote  ones like were fitted to the  B-29. This is a hugely  speculative  build as I wouldn't have anywhere to store  if I did manage to  build it. Also, maybe  a pair of small turbojets  under the wings  could be  fitted if it were in service during the 1950's.
Chris

[kitnut617]

And not to difficult to do either Chris, as that was basically what I did with my Nottingham (not with six engines though  )

[chrisonord]

And not to difficult to do either Chris, as that was basically what I did with my Nottingham (not with six engines though  )

Cheers Robert
I think the wing extension part will be the most  difficult, but I  need to give the parts a couple of coats of  looking at.
Chris

[JayBee]

How about not just extending the wings but giving it SIX engines, or maybe even EIGHT. 

[chrisonord]

I am  thinking of putting  6 on it as the extension would be from the wing root to where the wing starts to go  narrower, so that would include the inside  pair of engines . I  am  wondering  whether the  landing gear would be  better in the  inside pair or the middle pair.
Chris

[chrisonord]

Robert, do you have any pictures of how you extended the  fuselage  to build the  Nottingham? I have  just  opened my new mould revell shackleton  and looked at the fuselage. Because it  starts to narrow down after the  bomb bay , I  was wondering how to combat that, unless I cut the entire  bomb bay section out and  cut the wing roots out and  blank off where the  wing attached.  I would need to  smooth it all off  anyway.
Cheers
Chris

[PR19_Kit]

I  am  wondering  whether the  landing gear would be  better in the  inside pair or the middle pair.

Both, just like the Vickers Windsor. Saves messing about with the 'spare' engine nacelle too.

And thanks for the name tag. 

You'll need LOTS of wet-and-dry to get rid of all those rivets though.

[kitbasher]

Make it a canard design like the mid-40s Vickers designs!!!

[kitnut617]

Yes I did Chris, I had posted them in my Avro Nottingham GR.II thread but it looks like it's fallen victim to PB ransom debacle.
And I can't for the life of me remember which photos went where in the thread to replace them.

But in this photo you can see how I extended it. I made a 'Z' cut along the top of that strengthening stringer you see that runs along the top of the bomb bay. IIRC, the rear fuselage was cut upwards at the end of the bomb bay, then along the top of the stringer, then upwards again just in front of that filled in window by the side door. For the front fuselage, you can see the same window just above where the end of the bomb bay is in the photo, which became the 'new' end of the bomb bay. The first upward cut was just in line with this window's back edge, then along the stringer until I got to the back edge of the side door, then I cut it upwards. That doorway then got filled in too. Because the bomb bay has been lengthened, the doors were cut right where it was the deepest and a plug glued in which was the same length as the horizontal length of the 'Z' cut.

The only lengthening I did to the front was add the Lincoln nose in, but you could repeat the process for the front end !

Hope I've explained it OK for you -----

[chrisonord]

Thankyou everyone 
I will have a dig  for the relevant parts  and the kit at some stage and  have a proper look at what I can do.  I  need to look at that picture of yours  Robert  on something  bigger than my phone  so I can  see what you are explaining.  I remember looking at the  parts of the  shackleton when I  got it  and  thought to myself  surely  the real thing wasn't like that, it would be twice as  heavy as it  should with all those  rivets. I think I only have one  set of bomb bay doors for it too so I will have to come up with a  cunning plan for  those, as a bigger  bomb  bay is a must
Cheers
Chris

[kitnut617]

I just used one set of bomb bay doors Chris, for the plug I just used some styrene card as it wasn't going to be open. I used a heat gun to form the card strip into a 'U' shape, if you do that it's easier to hold it's shape but make the strip a bit longer and wider than what you need because as you heat it the styrene tends to shrink a bit, Once cooled down you can then trim it up afterwards

[chrisonord]

Brilliant, thanks for the info Robert.  When I get  chance I will delve into the  abyss that is  my stash and parts storage boxes and see what I have that can be used. 
Chris

[kitnut617]

Use a socket wrench which is close to the right diameter to wrap the strip around once it's heated up enough. The styrene becomes easier to massage into it's final shape after it's been heated, plus you can always reheat it if it doesn't work out the first time. Another little tip, warm up the socket a bit too, then the styrene doesn't 'shock' cool when you wrap it around the socket

[chrisonord]

Cheers  Robert 

[PR19_Kit]

I've got LOTS of MR3 Shackleton bits if you need them Chris.

Apart from the wings and engines of course...................