Mirage IV

[PR19_Kit]

How does the Mirage IV carry conventional bombs (I heard it is capable of carrying conventional bombs)?

Somewhere in a magazine I saw a piccie of a Mirage IV with an MER under each wing, on the same pylons that carry the external tanks, but that would limit the range. The IVP had a pylon under the belly that carried the ASMP nuke missile, and I guess it could be adapted for an MER as well, but I've never seen that photographed anywhere.

[kitnut617]

The 'nuke shape' that comes with the Heller 1/72 kit of the Mirage IV is semi-reccessed and is more of a bomb than a missile.  I think I've read it used the 'toss/lob' method of delivery

[Jeffry Fontaine]

How does the Mirage IV carry conventional bombs (I heard it is capable of carrying conventional bombs)?
Like an anti-ship and SEAD Mirage IV......

*Mirage IV Image source: http://www.mirage4p.com/

Also recommend visiting Petite histoire du Dassault Mirage IV

[PR19_Kit]

Robert,

Yes, that nuke preceeded the AMSP on the Mirage IV, the later missile carriers needed the recess filled in and a lengthy pylon added to carry the missile. I've done exactly that for the Heller 1/72 scale kit, and needless to say Heller brought out the Mirage 2000N complete with the ASMP about 2 weeks after I'd scratchbuilt mine!

The recce pods the IVPs carried toward the end of their lives fitted nicely into the recess, with a seal round the edges, but sadly the Heller kit doesn't feature the sharp edges to the recess that exist in real life. Most resin add-on recce pods need some PSR work to make it look right.

[Jeffry Fontaine]

The recce pods the IVPs carried toward the end of their lives fitted nicely into the recess, with a seal round the edges, but sadly the Heller kit doesn't feature the sharp edges to the recess that exist in real life. Most resin add-on recce pods need some PSR work to make it look right.

Maybe so, but it looks like Bernard LaPeyrie apparently got it right on his 1/48 Heller Mirage IV P   :^)

[PR19_Kit]

Jeffry,

I'm not 100% certain but I believe the 1/48 IV is better than the 1/72 in this respect. As I don't build 1/48 I don't have any direct basis for comparison, but the big ones I've seen at shows seem to have much sharper edges to the recess.

That sure is some awesome work on the pod interior, I think I'll pass on that detail level for my 1/72 scale one!

[Jeffry Fontaine]

I'm not 100% certain but I believe the 1/48 IV is better than the 1/72 in this respect. As I don't build 1/48 I don't have any direct basis for comparison, but the big ones I've seen at shows seem to have much sharper edges to the recess.

That sure is some awesome work on the pod interior, I think I'll pass on that detail level for my 1/72 scale one!

Having recently disposed of my own 1/72nd scale Mirage IV kit and passing it on to someone else I can attest to the lack of details in both kits and the only advantage that the smaller scale kit has over the larger kit is that the defects are much easier to hide.  Did Heller ever release a 1/72nd scale Mirage IV P with the ASMP, stores pylon, and the blanking plate? 

I must also lament on the lack of a suitable reconnaissance pod in 1/48th scale for this kit.  At least the 1/72nd scale kit has that option available as a separate accessory purchase.  As an alternative I have considered using reconnaissance pod that comes with the Hasegawa 1/48th scale Phantom FGR.2 for a Mirage IV WHIF. 

I would also like to state that at least for the 1/48th scale Mirage IV kit the recess will accommodate the original style Sargent-Fletcher 600 gallon fuel tank from the F-4 with minimal issue.  So if you want to try and come up with something really different, take that into consideration with the 1/72nd or 1/48th scale kit as an alternative to the bomb shape included in the kit. 

[PR19_Kit]

Having recently disposed of my own 1/72nd scale Mirage IV kit and passing it on to someone else I can attest to the lack of details in both kits and the only advantage that the smaller scale kit has over the larger kit is that the defects are much easier to hide.  Did Heller ever release a 1/72nd scale Mirage IV P with the ASMP, stores pylon, and the blanking plate? 

Jeffry,

Not as far as I know. I've had three of the 1/72 scale kits at various times in the kit's history, and it's always had the free fall nuke shape included. When I did my ASMP fit IVP I searched high and low for an ASMP and eventually had to build my own. Whereupon Heller brought out the Mirage VN complete with ASMP of course.  The blanking plate was far more difficult to make than the ASMP.....

I have two different resin CT52 recce pods for the RW operational recce IVP I'm making, one by Paula and an un-named Czech one that I got from the Luchtvaaart Hobby Shop. The latter is by far the better one, even including transparent camera windows, but some of them are only about 1 mm square!

[dy031101]

For a French counterpart to the Tu-22M...... how about a Mirage IV fuselage with the variable-geometry wings and tailplanes like those on the Mirage G8?

[Shasper]

That sounds delightfully tasty . . . Kinda like a scaled up G8 with a twin engine fuselage?

Shas

[Sauragnmon]

Hmmm... I like the upscaled Mirage IV Tactical/Strategic Bomber platform - a bomb bay on that would just be wicked.

Coincidentally, I bet you could hang a nine-rack on the center and a couple of MERs on the tank pylons if you were going for a carpet-strike.  Maybe a few Triples somewhere.

[Thorvic]

For a French counterpart to the Tu-22M...... how about a Mirage IV fuselage with the variable-geometry wings and tailplanes like those on the Mirage G8?

Oh you mean the Mirage F4G, there is a 3 view in the first volume of a french book on the Mirage F1 that covers the F1 development and the VG series of Mirages. The VG wings are mounted as per the G8 above the engines rather than below them as per the Mirage IV and Backfire.

G

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Nineteen images of Paul Coudeyrette's 1/48th scale Heller Mirage IVA have been posted to the gallery on Hyperscale.  He has turned out a very nice model when you consider how primitive that kit is when you first open the box. 


(image source: hyperscale.com)

[Jeffry Fontaine]

I've got two of those 1/48 Heller kits in the stash, I really must get round to building one at some point. That is a seriously good build, I've bookmarked that for future reference when I eventually get round to building mine.

I have four of the 1/48th scale Mirage IV kits (2 x IVA and 2 x IVP).  Currently working on one of the IVA kits and have added the radome from an Airfix 1/72nd scale F-15 after cutting the nose section down to a diameter that would match that part.  The belly radome on the kit has been cut out and filled in with sheet plastic.  Next step is to fill in the existing depression with some two part epoxy putty and get the surface to match up with the rest of the fuselage.  The bulkhead that holds the two exhaust nozzles has also been cut apart to remove those features and the inside diameter has been expanded so a different exhaust nozzle can be adapted to fit.  The cockpit is still lacking details and I was hoping to adapt a more traditional windscreen in place of that horrid "V" shaped part and perhaps a different canopy, truly a challenge and I am still looking through my spare parts boxes for the right components. 

[Weaver]

The cockpit is still lacking details and I was hoping to adapt a more traditional windscreen in place of that horrid "V" shaped part and perhaps a different canopy, truly a challenge and I am still looking through my spare parts boxes for the right components. 

Tornado? Can't check it I'm afraid......