The Captured G.B. - General Discussion

[Hobbes]

Yes, that qualifies.

[loupgarou]

Yes, that qualifies.

Hmmm.... But copying is not capturing.
Farrelly should AT LEAST steal the plans knifing the original designer...

[Dizzyfugu]

Would civil industrial espionage resulting in a near "copy" of a competitor's machine qualify
as captured? I've pretty much lost interest in military/war related stuff.

I'm thinking in the arena of motorsport. 

LOL, then probably any Chinese "indigenous" aircraft will be qualified...!

[NARSES2]

Yes, that qualifies.

Hmmm.... But copying is not capturing.
Farrelly should AT LEAST steal the plans knifing the original designer...

Surely a chloroform pad will suffice ? Or maybe a scantily clad lady to distract the security guards attention ? 

[jcf]

Yes, that qualifies.

Hmmm.... But copying is not capturing.
Farrelly should AT LEAST steal the plans knifing the original designer...

Industrial espionage is by definition stealing. 

[jcf]

Would civil industrial espionage resulting in a near "copy" of a competitor's machine qualify
as captured? I've pretty much lost interest in military/war related stuff.

I'm thinking in the arena of motorsport. 

LOL, then probably any Chinese "indigenous" aircraft will be qualified...!

Yeah, nah. 

Two which are most definitely not copies of anybody's aircraft.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVIC_AG600


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbin_SH-5

[jcf]

Thanks Harro. 

[scooter]

Yes, that qualifies.

Hmmm.... But copying is not capturing.
Farrelly should AT LEAST steal the plans knifing the original designer...

(snip) Or maybe a scantily clad lady to distract the security guards attention ? 

To quote Hedley Lamarr:  My mind is a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives...

[sandiego89]

While "copied" may be allowed, I really don't think it fits as well with the "captured" theme, but again I almost always prefer tighter rules to stir the imagination, and I tend to vote for entries that really pay homage to the CB theme. 

Thus I would think an interred B-29 actually pressed into Soviet service would fit the theme much better than the reverse engineered Tu-4 Bull. 

As for those that prefer non-military subjects, there are plenty of great examples on the civilian side like the already mentioned pirates, confiscated drug runners, and yes, racing for "pink slips."

[PR19_Kit]

Thus I would think an interred B-29 actually pressed into Soviet service would fit the theme much better than the reverse engineered Tu-4 Bull. 

Are they different enough to tell the difference though?

[kitbasher]

Thus I would think an interred B-29 actually pressed into Soviet service would fit the theme much better than the reverse engineered Tu-4 Bull. 

Are they different enough to tell the difference though?

I don't think that's the point.  Copying is stealing intellectual property rights, but it's not what I'd call capturing (i.e as belligerents would do in a a war (hot or cold)) or impounding (as a neutral state may do in said war).

So i'd build a interned B-29 but not a copy (i.e. Tu-4).

[zenrat]

Thus I would think an interred B-29 actually pressed into Soviet service would fit the theme much better than the reverse engineered Tu-4 Bull. 

Are they different enough to tell the difference though?

Tu-4 was re-engineered to use Soviet gauge raw materials so you could tell the two apart by taking a micrometer to them.
Or just look for "Made in USA" moulded inside the fuselage of the B-29...

[tigercat]

One Civilian application would be  Dukes of Hazzard  , cars were always being 'captured '  and  used by other than original owners.

[PR19_Kit]

Or just look for "Made in USA" moulded inside the fuselage of the B-29...

I must admit that the only time I ever got inside a B-29, at an open day at some RAF base in the 60s (it was a tanker KB-29) I didn't actually see the large 'Made in the USA' text moulded into the side panels, as was the case on my Revell 'Fit the box' kit of a similar aeroplane..... 

[jcf]

Thus I would think an interred B-29 actually pressed into Soviet service would fit the theme much better than the reverse engineered Tu-4 Bull. 

Are they different enough to tell the difference though?

Tu-4 was re-engineered to use Soviet gauge raw materials so you could tell the two apart by taking a micrometer to them.
Or just look for "Made in USA" moulded inside the fuselage of the B-29...

There were some major changes in the wings: aerofoil changed, RAF 34 in place of Boeing 117,
20% ratio at root with 10% at tip; wing dihedral was changed from a constant 4º to 4º 30' to
the outer engines and then 3º to the wingtips.*

According to Tupolev 105,000 items had to be checked for materials, fit/form/funtion etc., and
translated into Soviet drawings, industry standards and materials.

As to anybody who thinks 'just copying' on that scale is easy and not an accomplishment, then
instead of purchasing a new car go ahead build a 'copy' in your garage.


*Note for those unfamiliar with the notation for angle measurement:
º = degrees, ' = minutes, " = seconds i.e. 44º 59' 59" is 1 second less than 45º.