Captured G.B. - Inspiration thread

[TomZ]

Hmmm, I not sure that qualifies as "captured". Or would the original user have captured one back?

TomZ

[loupgarou]

Is it permissable to reverse the process, i.e., if a machine is better known in service with it's captors, is it possible to model it in service with it's original owne if it wasn't operated by the latter? Not my plan, but as an example, a LT vz. 38 in Czech service?

I am afraid it would not be a whif. EXCEPT if the Czechs had beaten Germany and continued invading Russia, of course.

[Old Wombat]

The Czechs did capture Jagdpanzer(JgPz) 38(t)s (Sd.Kfz. 138/2) towards the end of the war as the population rose up against the Germans.







So, what if the Germans had used Panzerkampfwagen(Pz.Kfw) 38(t)s (Sd. Kfz. 140) to police the Czechs (they may well have done for all I know) & the Czech resistance had captured one or two to use against the occupying Germans?

Edit: Note - The JgPz.38(t) "Hetzer"s were captured from the factory & had no guns, so the resistance used whatever they had available (panzerfausts & captured machine-guns).

[Mossie]

Thanks guys. The Pz.38 was an example, I'm planning something very different (not a tank).  WWII armour isn't my strong point, but I believe the Lt vz.38 didn't enter service with the Czechs, they produced several for export and had about 150 ready to roll out of the factory line when they were invaded. The Germans then used the near ready tanks and, impressed with it, took over production.  So I don't think, the Czech army took delivery of any?

The scenario I've got is similar, and I'll try and explain without revealing my hand.  A machine was in development by a faction that underwent a major regime change.  This machine was then put into use by the new dictatorship.  It's never been seen in the original users colours and markings.  The reason I'm asking is it involves a captured design that has only ever been seen after its it capture and is a whiff in the markings of it's original designer.  Does that make sense???

I think I'll message the mods directly, that might be easier than trying to explain around!!!

[kitbasher]

Found this suitable inspiration item for the GB in my collection - Italian aircraft (well, a Ki-61 underneath with some mods...) operated by the Aeronautica Nazionale Repubblicana, captured by U.S. forces and then handed over to the Italian Co-Belligerent Air Force:


1:72 I.M.A.M. Ro.70 'Asta', aircraft "H" of the 155° Gruppo, 51° Stormo Caccia, Aviazione Cobelligerante Italiana (Italian Co-Belligerent Air Force, ACI); Lecce-Galatina (Southern Italy), October 1944 (Whif/Hasegawa Ki-61 conversion) by dizzyfugu, on Flickr

Have had something very similar on the go since forever!  Ki-61 masquerading as an MC.205 (sort of), potentially in Irish colours (there was a nascent back story, don't ask!), then I thought post-war Italian, then maybe Rumanian (I've some Hs129 markings that would fit), then Chinese Nationalist (turns out they operated captured examples, so that scuppered that idea  ).  But this GB has provided the right inspiration; not entering it as a build, rather finishing it off in the background.  Pics to follow.

[Old Wombat]

... I believe the Lt vz.38 didn't enter service with the Czechs, they produced several for export and had about 150 ready to roll out of the factory line when they were invaded. The Germans then used the near ready tanks and, impressed with it, took over production.  So I don't think, the Czech army took delivery of any?

Correct, Mossie, the Czech army hadn't taken delivery of any production vehicles & most variants after the initial run were developed with oversight by German engineers for the Wehrmacht (even the initial vehicles were modified, before entering service, to suit the Germans).

I'm not a moderator but I think this type of scenario could fit the constraints of this GB ... but it's their call, either way.

[Mossie]

I've dropped them a line, I'll see what they decide. 

[Mossie]

It's a no as conceived, but a slight markings change might work. 

[jcf]

Hetzer production continued post-war and they were used by the Czech military.

[rickshaw]

Hetzer production continued post-war and they were used by the Czech military.

And the Swiss...

[Sport21ing]

The Calliope was mounted to other variants of the Sherman, similar multiple rocket launchers with the same type of rocket (though a different arrangement of tubes) were mounted to the Willys MB and cargo trucks (T27 Xylophone), but by far the most unusual mounting for the Calliope was on the Sd.Kfz.251 Ausf. D (Note that the launcher on these was in fact the same type of T34 Calliope as on the Sherman and not one of the similar types of launcher I mentioned). 22 Calliopes were to be mounted on tanks, and additionally, the 3508th Ordnance Medium Auto Maintenance Company was ordered to create a mounting for the Calliope in 5 captured Sd.Kfz.251s.

Later from: https://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/500956-sdkfz251-ausfd-calliope-an-unusual-american-modification/

[Sport21ing]

One more just for sure 

https://www.german-navy.de/kriegsmarine/captured/index.html

[Sport21ing]

http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Images/1-Vehicles(bis)/France/09-Halftracks/Captured/SdKfz251-1D_R-35/Left.jpg



http://www.wardrawings.be/WW2/Images/2-Airplanes/Allies/2-USSR/01-Fighters/FW-190-M-82/p1.jpg

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https://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/how-the-rag-tag-circus-begged-borrowed-and-stole-vehicles-in-its-drive-across-germany/

[Snowtrooper]

^ that last link conveniently blocks most "German WW2 ground vehicle captured by the US and pressed to service" ideas since they would no longer be whiffs anymore

Unless, of course, one does not paint them in OD only but uses eg. Desert Pink too and says they were captured in the Tunisian Campaign Or goes full "Wehrmacht '46" and builds eg. E-100 captured during the Siege of the Alpine Redoubt campaign.

[jcf]

^ that last link conveniently blocks most "German WW2 ground vehicle captured by the US and pressed to service" ideas since they would no longer be whiffs anymore

Unless, of course, one does not paint them in OD only but uses eg. Desert Pink too and says they were captured in the Tunisian Campaign Or goes full "Wehrmacht '46" and builds eg. E-100 captured during the Siege of the Alpine Redoubt campaign.

But did they bother to repaint them? That would only happen if they'd been put through a depot
level refurb before being used, which is doubtful. Therefore a repaint in OD with stencil applied
stars and coding (which would have to be made up) would be a Whif.