Avro Lancaster Ship buster

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scooter

Quote from: Rick Lowe on February 23, 2021, 01:10:53 PM
Quote from: scooter on February 21, 2021, 02:37:05 PM
Assuming there were any 13.5" AP rounds still in storage, the RAF could have just modified them into anti-ship bombs.

Reusing a resource in a logical manner - I saw a doco once that mentioned the Germans put any aerial bombs that didn't come up to spec back to be re-smelted, or whatever they used to do.
The Russians, however, simply moved them over to the Katyusha ammo line...  ;D

And the IJN adapted their 16.1" AP rounds from their 41 cm/45 3rd Year Type naval gun into the bombs that sank Arizona
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Rick Lowe

Quote from: scooter on February 23, 2021, 04:13:35 PM
Quote from: Rick Lowe on February 23, 2021, 01:10:53 PM
Quote from: scooter on February 21, 2021, 02:37:05 PM
Assuming there were any 13.5" AP rounds still in storage, the RAF could have just modified them into anti-ship bombs.

Reusing a resource in a logical manner - I saw a doco once that mentioned the Germans put any aerial bombs that didn't come up to spec back to be re-smelted, or whatever they used to do.
The Russians, however, simply moved them over to the Katyusha ammo line...  ;D

And the IJN adapted their 16.1" AP rounds from their 41 cm/45 3rd Year Type naval gun into the bombs that sank Arizona

Sorry, that should have read "Artillery Shells"...  :banghead:

That's interesting about the Japanese shells. Still, makes sense to use something rather than scrapping it and starting again.
No wonder the thing dug deep before detonating...

NARSES2

I've never really thought of naval shells as being AP, but I suppose it's obvious when you think about it ? One of those "go and stand at the back of class Edwards" moments  :banghead:
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Old Wombat

Quote from: NARSES2 on February 28, 2021, 02:14:55 AM
I've never really thought of naval shells as being AP, but I suppose it's obvious when you think about it ? One of those "go and stand at the back of class Edwards" moments  :banghead:

When you're trying to punch a hole through 12" to 24" (plus) of armour plate, it usually helps. ;D

Naval artillery shells also came in HE & a range of other types for different purposes.
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NARSES2

Quote from: Old Wombat on February 28, 2021, 02:22:05 AM

When you're trying to punch a hole through 12" to 24" (plus) of armour plate, it usually helps. ;D


Yup, it's so obvious I'll just assume my brain simply past over the fact  ;D

Naval shells use different coloured bands to distinguish their purpose ?
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Old Wombat

Quote from: NARSES2 on February 28, 2021, 02:25:32 AM
Naval shells use different coloured bands to distinguish their purpose ?

Yes, but I have no idea of the colours or coding sequences used.
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NARSES2

Quote from: Old Wombat on February 28, 2021, 02:31:17 AM
Quote from: NARSES2 on February 28, 2021, 02:25:32 AM
Naval shells use different coloured bands to distinguish their purpose ?

Yes, but I have no idea of the colours or coding sequences used.

Didn't expect you to off hand mate. Just something to file in the brain in case I ever need to check the details out  :thumbsup:
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kitnut617

Quote from: NARSES2 on February 28, 2021, 02:14:55 AM
I've never really thought of naval shells as being AP, but I suppose it's obvious when you think about it ? One of those "go and stand at the back of class Edwards" moments  :banghead:

Triplex RP's and Red Angel used shells as war heads (7.2" & 11.5")



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jcf

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Quote from: NARSES2 on February 28, 2021, 02:25:32 AM

Yup, it's so obvious I'll just assume my brain simply past over the fact  ;D

Naval shells use different coloured bands to distinguish their purpose ?

Page is a bit haphazard, as is his whole blog, but there's good stuff once you can figure out
what you're looking at. Plus there's a hoard of manuals etc. on multiple subjects to download:
https://stephentaylorhistorian.com/2020/09/04/ww2-manuals-more-downloadable-files/

https://stephentaylorhistorian.com/2018/03/11/ww2-british-artillery-shells-and-mortars-colours-and-markings/

The full 1943 standards manual is here, the details start on pg.29 of the PDF:
https://stephentaylorhistorian.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/57-amm-4068-ammunition-and-package-markings.pdf

Some basic stuff from the 1936 "Textbook of Ammunition" to start, the 1943 manual adds more colours.
https://stephentaylorhistorian.files.wordpress.com/2020/09/textbook-of-ammunition-1936.pdf





NARSES2

Fascinating stuff Jon, thank you  :thumbsup:

I'll take my hat off even more to my old man now as before he was an AAA gunner he was a 4.7" loader/shell handler when they were closed up for action. Never realised it was so complicated.

Glad he wasn't colour blind  ;)
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kitnut617

Yesterday while on SPF, I read an interesting thread about trials for a Mosquito fitted with a 32 pdr, a couple of them in a Lanc's bomb bay would be the way to go though I think ----

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NARSES2

#56
That just looks wrong to me, or at least very ungainly. I can imagine the "fun" trying to park it.
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That'd need some HEFTY woodwork behind it or it'd only fire one shot before the airframe collapsed!  :o
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scooter

Quote from: NARSES2 on April 21, 2021, 05:58:09 AM
That just looks wrong to me, or at least you ungainly. I can imagine the "fun" trying to park it.

Bellying it in might prove to be fatal as well.
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kitnut617

The trials were centered around the muzzle brake that was designed for it, called a Galliot Muzzle Brake.
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