Subs in Spaccccccccccce Query

[Cobra]

Hey Guys,i was doing a Little Research when a Question hit me:What If there was a Subspace Submarine for the Federation in Star Trek? I'd seen some Subspace Subs in Star Blazers and Thought What If some subs were Converted into Subspace Subs for Star Trek. What Subs would Work for this? What Say You? Thanks for Looking. Dan

[kerick]

A real submarine hull would be many times heavier than needed in space unless your going for steel armor. Of course space battleships are much heavier so do what you think works best for your universe.

[Gondor]

In Star Trek the orijonal series they used part of a submarine kit for the "Botany Bay" on which Kahn and his crew were.

Gondor

[Dizzyfugu]

Some time ago I saw pics from a scratchbuilt space ship froma convention that used an upside-down Geman Typ VII submarine (w/o turret and any appendages) as a hull, mated with parts from a Klingon ship (IIRC it was from a D-7 cruiser from the classic TV series). While simple, this looked VERY convincing, and I mplan do buoild something similar some day, too. And another spaceship scratch build I came across (but not linked to Star Trek) used an 1:48 P-61 central fuselage as basis, also flipped upside down and the clear parts were blended into the rest as opaque hull sections. Looked very organic and was hard to recognize.

[bluedonkey99]

   I think the original poster is looking to repurpose kits using the shape of terrestrial subs as the means of providing a basis of a space sub, therefore we can dispense with the usual debates of water subs being designed to cope with compression and space 'tubes' have to cope with expansion?

Cobra, are you looking to produce different space subs styles for one space force or multiple ?  It makes it easier if your don't care about multiple origins as you dont have preserve a sense of culturally based design aesthetic or technology.

Easy wins are 1/700 or 1/350 subs.   

You have basically a number of source types to choose from
- Modern US Subs
- Modern Soviet/Russian Subs/Chinese - though these are now starting to fork their own style
- Modern British / French
- reuse WWII
- Japanese (usually) space sub kits.
- scratch build


Soviet Typhoon class is an obvious go to base as they are quite large and distinctive shaped - clearly you'd need remove the pros and replace with some interesting "engines/pods" - Yakult Containers and/or the Lids from the Tubes of Vitamin C Tabs with thier funky lides with the inbuil compression screws - or just reverse the lids and attach to the tube. 
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/dc/c8/62/dcc8629e7903bc151181185e1dacbc6a.jpg

US subs are more tubelike, but this doesn't stop the adding of an engine pod/pods - or other embellishments

there are Japense space subs
https://www.plazajapan.com/4934054021802/
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Japan-Action-Figures-Collection-submarine/dp/B018TGV5PU (it may be cheaper to import)

https://www.migjimenez.com/en/model-kits/4980-1700-space-submarine-i-401-6972444300180.html
https://www.migjimenez.com/en/model-kits/4981-1700-space-submarine-i-400-6972444300173.html

https://order.mandarake.co.jp/order/detailPage/item?itemCode=1128858548&ref=list&narrowDown=infinite%20of%20Levi%20Us%00Tag&lang=en

https://www.scalemates.com/ja/kits/bandai-0071203-zero-tester-no2--1162371  (okay, maybe not what you were thinking)

This could be straight out the 60s - Thunderbirds/Stingray
Doyusha Space Submarine series universe Submarine Andro Tiger 1
https://order.mandarake.co.jp/order/detailPage/item?itemCode=1129139699&lang=en
in fact, if this isnt a Stingray "inspired", I'm a .......
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/doyusha-space-submarine-osaka-ii--1098372

for interpretations of terrestrial subs
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/blue-submarine-musuka-model-kit-imai-134350106
https://www.ebay.ca/itm/265192365857?hash=item3dbeb25f21:g:qZ4AAOSwTApgwwQa

some further inspiration:
http://www.projectrho.com/SSC/submarine.html

[Joe C-P]

I am curious about what the "sub-" part would be mean in space.  But we are whiffers, so reality and logic are of our own making.
You'd have to reverse all the valves that keep water out to keep air in.  The prop would be replaced by a warp/subspace/ion/improbability drive.

Of course you could put just a periscope on a starry black base and say "the rest of the sub is hiding in subspace".  Oh rats, I should have kept that idea for myself.   

JoeP

[Mossie]

Outside of star Trek, a circular section sub could provide a classic rockets hip shape, with the stern as the nose cone.

[buzzbomb]

Yep.. they can make a great basis for Starship builds. The forward section is two Ohio Class 1/350 scale subs, with sail in place

[Scotaidh]

I am curious about what the "sub-" part would be mean in space.  But we are whiffers, so reality and logic are of our own making.
You'd have to reverse all the valves that keep water out to keep air in.  The prop would be replaced by a warp/subspace/ion/improbability drive.

Of course you could put just a periscope on a starry black base and say "the rest of the sub is hiding in subspace".  Oh rats, I should have kept that idea for myself.   

JoeP

A valve is a valve ... the valves in/on a sub's hull are there to permit water in (for things like cooling, the captain's shower, etc.) and other things out - sewage, garbage, weapons, etc. 

One could argue that the personnel hatches are simply two-way valves to allow people to go in and out of the sub.

Then there are the "connections"  - plugs, if you will, sockets - for things like telephones, electricity, and other things more esoteric.

The biggest problem would be cooling - no ocean providing endless cold water to remove the heat generated by all those bodies and the processes necessary to keep them alive.

But, that's all real-world, and has no place here ... 

[Mossie]

Yep.. they can make a great basis for Starship builds. The forward section is two Ohio Class 1/350 scale subs, with sail in place

[zenrat]

I am curious about what the "sub-" part would be mean in space.  But we are whiffers, so reality and logic are of our own making.
You'd have to reverse all the valves that keep water out to keep air in.  The prop would be replaced by a warp/subspace/ion/improbability drive.

Of course you could put just a periscope on a starry black base and say "the rest of the sub is hiding in subspace".  Oh rats, I should have kept that idea for myself.   

JoeP

A valve is a valve ... the valves in/on a sub's hull are there to permit water in (for things like cooling, the captain's shower, etc.) and other things out - sewage, garbage, weapons, etc. 

One could argue that the personnel hatches are simply two-way valves to allow people to go in and out of the sub.

Then there are the "connections"  - plugs, if you will, sockets - for things like telephones, electricity, and other things more esoteric.

The biggest problem would be cooling - no ocean providing endless cold water to remove the heat generated by all those bodies and the processes necessary to keep them alive.

But, that's all real-world, and has no place here ... 

Isn't deep space very very cold?
So keeping warm might be the problem rather than cooling down.

[Rick Lowe]

I am curious about what the "sub-" part would be mean in space.  But we are whiffers, so reality and logic are of our own making.
You'd have to reverse all the valves that keep water out to keep air in.  The prop would be replaced by a warp/subspace/ion/improbability drive.

Of course you could put just a periscope on a starry black base and say "the rest of the sub is hiding in subspace".  Oh rats, I should have kept that idea for myself.   

JoeP

A valve is a valve ... the valves in/on a sub's hull are there to permit water in (for things like cooling, the captain's shower, etc.) and other things out - sewage, garbage, weapons, etc. 

One could argue that the personnel hatches are simply two-way valves to allow people to go in and out of the sub.

Then there are the "connections"  - plugs, if you will, sockets - for things like telephones, electricity, and other things more esoteric.

The biggest problem would be cooling - no ocean providing endless cold water to remove the heat generated by all those bodies and the processes necessary to keep them alive.

But, that's all real-world, and has no place here ... 

Isn't deep space very very cold?
So keeping warm might be the problem rather than cooling down.

But with a Nuclear pile on board (whether you used it as the main power source or an auxiliary generator) you'd be able to keep everyone warm'n'toasty with very little trouble.

[zenrat]

I am curious about what the "sub-" part would be mean in space.  But we are whiffers, so reality and logic are of our own making.
You'd have to reverse all the valves that keep water out to keep air in.  The prop would be replaced by a warp/subspace/ion/improbability drive.

Of course you could put just a periscope on a starry black base and say "the rest of the sub is hiding in subspace".  Oh rats, I should have kept that idea for myself.   

JoeP

A valve is a valve ... the valves in/on a sub's hull are there to permit water in (for things like cooling, the captain's shower, etc.) and other things out - sewage, garbage, weapons, etc. 

One could argue that the personnel hatches are simply two-way valves to allow people to go in and out of the sub.

Then there are the "connections"  - plugs, if you will, sockets - for things like telephones, electricity, and other things more esoteric.

The biggest problem would be cooling - no ocean providing endless cold water to remove the heat generated by all those bodies and the processes necessary to keep them alive.

But, that's all real-world, and has no place here ... 

Isn't deep space very very cold?
So keeping warm might be the problem rather than cooling down.

But with a Nuclear pile on board (whether you used it as the main power source or an auxiliary generator) you'd be able to keep everyone warm'n'toasty with very little trouble.

Plus they would glow in the dark saving money on lighting.

[Rick Lowe]

I am curious about what the "sub-" part would be mean in space.  But we are whiffers, so reality and logic are of our own making.
You'd have to reverse all the valves that keep water out to keep air in.  The prop would be replaced by a warp/subspace/ion/improbability drive.

Of course you could put just a periscope on a starry black base and say "the rest of the sub is hiding in subspace".  Oh rats, I should have kept that idea for myself.   

JoeP

A valve is a valve ... the valves in/on a sub's hull are there to permit water in (for things like cooling, the captain's shower, etc.) and other things out - sewage, garbage, weapons, etc. 

One could argue that the personnel hatches are simply two-way valves to allow people to go in and out of the sub.

Then there are the "connections"  - plugs, if you will, sockets - for things like telephones, electricity, and other things more esoteric.

The biggest problem would be cooling - no ocean providing endless cold water to remove the heat generated by all those bodies and the processes necessary to keep them alive.

But, that's all real-world, and has no place here ... 

Isn't deep space very very cold?
So keeping warm might be the problem rather than cooling down.

But with a Nuclear pile on board (whether you used it as the main power source or an auxiliary generator) you'd be able to keep everyone warm'n'toasty with very little trouble.

Plus they would glow in the dark saving money on lighting.

True!

[jcf]

I am curious about what the "sub-" part would be mean in space.  But we are whiffers, so reality and logic are of our own making.
You'd have to reverse all the valves that keep water out to keep air in.  The prop would be replaced by a warp/subspace/ion/improbability drive.

Of course you could put just a periscope on a starry black base and say "the rest of the sub is hiding in subspace".  Oh rats, I should have kept that idea for myself.   

JoeP

A valve is a valve ... the valves in/on a sub's hull are there to permit water in (for things like cooling, the captain's shower, etc.) and other things out - sewage, garbage, weapons, etc. 

One could argue that the personnel hatches are simply two-way valves to allow people to go in and out of the sub.

Then there are the "connections"  - plugs, if you will, sockets - for things like telephones, electricity, and other things more esoteric.

The biggest problem would be cooling - no ocean providing endless cold water to remove the heat generated by all those bodies and the processes necessary to keep them alive.

But, that's all real-world, and has no place here ... 

Isn't deep space very very cold?
So keeping warm might be the problem rather than cooling down.

Nope, most of the systems onboard plus the flesh machines produce excess heat,
which is very problematic in a closed system.

ISS ATCS (Active Thermal Control System):
https://www.nasa.gov/pdf/473486main_iss_atcs_overview.pdf

The lighter coloured panels are the radiators, dark panels are PVA.