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Twin-fins without booms

Started by Tophe, February 12, 2005, 10:45:42 PM

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Tophe

One of the problems about twin-tail aircraft is their definition. The He 111Z zwilling had 2 tails clearly, the Benett/Waitomo Airtruk also with a central pod, but a twin-finned single tail-plane was carried by 2 booms on the classical P-38, by 2 fuselages on the classical P-82. And some describe them as twin-tail, and add to the family the simple twin-fin aircraft like the very classical F-18 and F-15. I have made a personnal choice, very complicated to explain in detail, but I do not pretend I am right, I will not burn the different opinions at all.
Among twin-finning classical birds, the best I have seen up to now is Leigh's F-16 at http://leigheaton.20fr.com/photo4.html   :wub:  
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Tophe

QuoteHere is one that Tophe will love!
This is a What-If De Havilland pusher fighter that I drew maybe 4-5 years ago.  Power comes from a Merlin, but it should have a 5-bladed prop instead of the 4-bladed shown here.  Armament consiste of 4 Hispanos and it should have seen service in 1945.
More than one year ago, Ollie posted a twin-tail original drawing in
http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...?showtopic=1755
Alas, I am unable to see the picture anymore :( , I hope it works for you :) .
If I remember well, there were 2 fins external on the tailplane, Bf 110 like. :) and Ollie considered that bird, as Twin-tail, appropriate for me - while I was focusing on Twin-booms, but that is very close, yes.  
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Tophe

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Quotea twin-tail original drawing
2 fins external on the tailplane, Bf 110 like. :) and Ollie considered that bird, as Twin-tail, appropriate for me - while I was focusing on Twin-booms, but that is very close, yes.
I wondered: does the compound "twin-fin" word exist in English? Thanks to Google, I have asked Internet, and the answer is Yes, in England, it seems: single twin-fin tail, not exactly twin-tails, sorry...
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Tophe

#5
Quotesingle twin-fin tail, not exactly twin-tails, sorry...
Here is my trial of classification  :)  , I am not sure :huh: , discrepancies  :( may exist between USA/UK like they are between France/Québec.
Above would be "single-tails" (including Leigh's F-16 and Ollie's pusher)
Below would be "twin-tails" (simplified list without separate tailplanes, arguments about counting/adding the central foreplane, etc.)
That is not much more clear in my mind though... :(
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Tophe

#6
Quotearguments about counting/adding the central foreplane, etc.
That is not much more clear in my mind though... :(
See the Russian Molniya-1 below... :huh:
2 tails aft + canard meaning 1 tail first = 3 tails ? I don't know. Welcome as well... :)
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Tophe

Quote
Quotearguments about counting/adding the central foreplane, etc.
That is not much more clear in my mind though... :(
See the Russian Molniya-1 below... :huh:
2 tails aft + canard meaning 1 tail first = 3 tails ? I don't know. Welcome as well... :)
and more welcome, from the same family (difficult to classify, easy to appreciate :wub: ): Lyn's OV-12 Mocassin, do you remember?
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Tophe

QuoteHere is my trial of classification  :)
Of course, this was not a complete gallery, just the main types to classify. There are many more - examples below:
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Tophe

#9
About peculiar tails and uneasy classifications, would everyone consider the Global Hawk as a V-tail ?
(there is a model of it at http://www.geocities.com/unicraftmodels/on...ghawk/ghawk.htm )
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Tophe

Quoteuneasy classifications, V-tail ?
Part of the V-tail classification below: single-tail above and some of the twin-tail ones below:
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NARSES2

I'd not seen that OV12 - thanks Tophe, and Lyn - Woowwwwwwweeee  :wub:  
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Tophe

#12
Thanks to Overscan, another intermediate case (F-18 or F-15 related, but more whatif...) had come to light, from Romania.
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Tophe

From http://www.aerofiles.com/_curthyphen.html it is confirmed that twin-fin normal planes (Bf-110, etc) are sometimes named 'twin-tail'... But for the kit contest here, the focus is on the twin-boom (P-38) & twin-fuselage (P-82) layout.
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