F-86 as MiG-17 adversary trainer, Groom Lake *finished*

[nighthunter]

Probably the right decision as to move them would require major structural changes to the fin.  IRL anyway.  In scale it's obviously much easier.   

FWIW i'd move them.

The model world is so much easier than the real world..lets see how easy it would be to put a MBT turret on top of a HUMVEE in the real world 

To be fair, I thought of putting a M163 Vulcan turret on a Humvee, the Italeri kit with the big box on the back, but could never score either kit

[Rick Lowe]

Probably the right decision as to move them would require major structural changes to the fin.  IRL anyway.  In scale it's obviously much easier.   

FWIW i'd move them.

The model world is so much easier than the real world..lets see how easy it would be to put a MBT turret on top of a HUMVEE in the real world 

To be fair, I thought of putting a M163 Vulcan turret on a Humvee, the Italeri kit with the big box on the back, but could never score either kit

If they put a M-163 turret on a V-100 Commando, and miniguns on things like Land Rovers and Chev Suburbans IRL, surely a Humvee wouldn't be too much of a stretch?
It'd be mainly a matter of enough bracing, I'd have thought - with my all-of-5-minutes of Engineering Expertise. 

[Wardukw]

Ok lets get a weee bit techy chaps 
Using the heavy Humvee option which has a strengthened frame ..suspension and braking system and as Rick mentioned a frame to mount it this verison of the Humvee would carry the M163 system with out a problem..for some reason i think ive seen it that done somewhere.
The standard Humvee would carry the M163 but the problems begin with the recoil from the Vulcan ..which is serious ..major suspension compression would make the vehicle pretty unstable and its possible the Humvee would end up on its side.
Mounting the GAU 19 .50cal rotary weapons system on a Humvee was easily done but the vehicle has to have it brakes locked so the recoil wont push the vehicle backwards and thats only a 50 caliber weapon..imgaine a 3000+ rpm cannon firing..would be bloody brilliant 
1500 rpm would be safer i think.

[Scotaidh]

Ok lets get a weee bit techy chaps 
Using the heavy Humvee option which has a strengthened frame ..suspension and braking system and as Rick mentioned a frame to mount it this verison of the Humvee would carry the M163 system with out a problem..for some reason i think ive seen it that done somewhere.
The standard Humvee would carry the M163 but the problems begin with the recoil from the Vulcan ..which is serious ..major suspension compression would make the vehicle pretty unstable and its possible the Humvee would end up on its side.
Mounting the GAU 19 .50cal rotary weapons system on a Humvee was easily done but the vehicle has to have it brakes locked so the recoil wont push the vehicle backwards and thats only a 50 caliber weapon..imgaine a 3000+ rpm cannon firing..would be bloody brilliant 
1500 rpm would be safer i think.

No problem - just fit quick-acting hydraulic spades, one each side & end, that lift the vehicle just clear of the ground.  Use mercury switches to ensure the whole thing's level, and Robert, as they say, is your mother's brother.
And, before you say it'd add too much weight, it's a specialty vehicle so not too many will be built... I think it's do-able.

[perttime]

Real Life aggressors don't have lots of external mods, except for colour schemes. Systems and internal strengthening have been done.

[frank2056]

Ok lets get a weee bit techy chaps 
Using the heavy Humvee option which has a strengthened frame ..suspension and braking system and as Rick mentioned a frame to mount it this verison of the Humvee would carry the M163 system with out a problem..for some reason i think ive seen it that done somewhere.

This one with a Quad .50?



"NOTHING PERSONAL JUST BUSINESS":


The The M1097 HHMWV can carry 4400 lbs of cargo.

[nighthunter]

*Firefight in a Middle Eastern city*
US Grunt to the armored Humvee driver: "Back Up! BACK UP!" as RPGs get fired at them and where they'll be. Driver to M163 Gunner: "LIGHT 'EM UP!"
Gunner hits the switch, M163 opens up and suddenly the Humvee does 100mph in reverse... and the RPGs miss. RPG gunners become pink mist. American grunts delivering unhealthcare to the terrorist masses, one ingenious development at a time.

[Wardukw]

What ya all are thinking about is the M167 Vulcan ..the trailer mounted verison which is the same system as the M163 mounted on the M113.
The idea of the fast deployment legs is a good one and the only annoyance in that is mounting a hydraulic pump ..theres not alot of space under the hood of a Humvee..trust me on that.
The quad .50 is a simple thing to install on anything as it has its own power source and its light compared to the Vulcan..the Vulcan does not have a power mounted on it.it needs a APU to work .
Balance is also a problem and the legs is a great way to sort that out..would need to mount them to the chassis or custom mounts ..the entire body is aluminum and weak but with some thinking it can be sorted..you'd never fire it without them deployed or what Hunter wrote would happen and god id like to see that 

[frank2056]

Back to the thread - Dave, how's the Airfix kit?

Also, by law, all Russian aircraft must have wing fences. Good to see that you're complying...

[Old Wombat]

The Thread Drift Fairy strikes again!

[sandiego89]

Back to the thread - Dave, how's the Airfix kit?

Also, by law, all Russian aircraft must have wing fences. Good to see that you're complying...

Gotta have fences!

The Airfix Sabre/F-86 kit is quite good. First F-86 I have built.  I found the recessed panels line about perfect.  Very crisp mold, and nice detail. Cockpit very basic, but not much to see.   The kit went together easily but did require a bit of putty, especially around the nose intake.  Interestingly I did find the styrene used for the whole kit softer than a normal hard plastic kit.  Not as bad as some eastern bloc kits that seem to be injected molded with soap, but still softer than I am used to. Need to be careful with the sanding or a hobby blade, as it would be easy to gouge deep into the fuselage. Is this softness the norm for newer light gray Airfix kits?       

[sandiego89]

The Thread Drift Fairy strikes again!

That was quite a drift!   

[sandiego89]

Finally back to work.  My hangar project and real-life work got me too busy.

Some really great schemes on the North Vietnam MiGs.  Think I will go with greens 

[Pellson]

Nice! 

[kerick]

Back to the thread - Dave, how's the Airfix kit?

Also, by law, all Russian aircraft must have wing fences. Good to see that you're complying...

It keeps the airflow from defecting!