General Discussion

[Rheged]

There was a recent discussion on London Underground possibly also carrying cargo.

Here, (intercity) buses often carry parcels also. For example, a few years ago, I picked up a guitar from the bus station, sent to me by a shop a couple of hours away.
https://www.matkahuolto.fi/packages

 60 years ago, parcels on long distance buses were  commonplace in Northern England.  My cousin David is 18 months younger than me, and toddler/children's clothes that I had grown out of   were regularly parcelled up and put on the bus from Carlisle to Darlington.  Similarly  my cousin Peter in Whitley Bay had his "grown out of"  clothes sent by bus to my parents.  Our extended family saved a fair bit of cash that way.

[perttime]

There's also such a thing as "bruck": part bus, part truck.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruck_(vehicle)

Wikipedia pics:

[loupgarou]

Or even something more crowded...




Both images from Alamy

Anyway I love that "bruck"...

[Rheged]

Another thought, this time from Madame R.  "What about postbuses?"


And by the way, I seem to recall that "BRUCK"  is an Orcadian dialect word for  "clutter"

[kitnut617]

Right!  I don't think I'll bother with this GB afterall -------

[kerick]

On a vacation in Costa Rica the busses from the airport to the resort each had a trailer for baggage.

[zenrat]

Another question.

The rules state "in a civilian context, pure passenger-carrying means of transport are NOT within the GB's scope".  How much cargo has to be carried before the means of transport falls within the GB's scope?
Take for example a bus carrying mixed passengers and freight.  How much floor space would have to be given over to freight?

The Mods will deliberate.

Other than passenger luggage, what sort of 'freight' is carried on a bus?

If it was the 1/72 bus I have in my stash, then oil drums and crates of "machine parts".

But I would like a more general answer.  If I build a civilian vehicle which carries both passengers and freight*, how much space should I give over to freight?

*Freight could include cargo, mail, vehicles, livestock etc.

It might help while deliberating to consider that commercial passenger aircraft regularly carry mail as well as the passengers luggage.  Indeed, most international mail travels on passenger aircraft.

[kitnut617]

Another question.

The rules state "in a civilian context, pure passenger-carrying means of transport are NOT within the GB's scope".  How much cargo has to be carried before the means of transport falls within the GB's scope?
Take for example a bus carrying mixed passengers and freight.  How much floor space would have to be given over to freight?

The Mods will deliberate.

Other than passenger luggage, what sort of 'freight' is carried on a bus?

If it was the 1/72 bus I have in my stash, then oil drums and crates of "machine parts".

But I would like a more general answer.  If I build a civilian vehicle which carries both passengers and freight*, how much space should I give over to freight?

*Freight could include cargo, mail, vehicles, livestock etc.

It might help while deliberating to consider that commercial passenger aircraft regularly carry mail as well as the passengers luggage.  Indeed, most international mail travels on passenger aircraft.

What you have then is something normal and doesn't fit into the 'spirit of the GB', you might as well not have a Logistics GB.

[sandiego89]

.....What you have then is something normal and doesn't fit into the 'spirit of the GB', you might as well not have a Logistics GB.

Agree!  I love to build and see builds that fit the "spirit" of the build, rather than "build what you want and make it just fit....somehow".  I think there is plenty of fodder with military "trash haulers" on the air land and sea, cargo ships, trains, camels, wagons, trucks, etc etc.  Not the best theme for a largely passenger bus or civilian airliner- although from a few flights I "enjoyed" in the South Pacific those passengers sure brought lots of cargo!!

As usual we might have a few folks that just seem to push ideas to drive the mods insane, perhaps as they suggest if you REALLY want to build something that does not quite fit the rules,  send them a PM. 

[kerick]

On the purely logistics side, I'm still considering the converted Bradley vehicle for under armor resupply (not the T shirts). If you've ever read book "Thunder Run" it talks about how the armored push into Baghdad and into what became the green zone nearly failed because of the unarmored supply trucks were getting shot up trying to follow the armored vehicles. IIRC at least one semi truck fuel tanker went up in flames.
I have the parts and the plan just not sure if I want to start another build on a schedule. Probably paint it the standard woodland scheme as really not all that many vehicles got painted sand. Especially the support types.

[jcf]

For the folks who like to build airliners, freighter conversions of former passenger aircraft are quite common.
This photo shows a typical 747-400 conversion, windows replaced with sheet metal and a side cargo door
added. While obviously not visible the internal changes include a reinforced floor and the cargo handling
system. 

https://www.iai.co.il/sites/default/files/2019-09/B747-400BDSF%20Brochure.pdf

[McColm]

Would I be able to submit my idea for a  London Underground tube train to be converted into carrying freight?
 Ideally a 00 gauge goods yard, with sidings and goods shed. Rolling stock to match. Dapol Kitmaster has a range of plastic kits that can be used and improved.

[kerick]

Makes me think of the 737s converted to haul stuff way up north using gravel runways.

[zenrat]

Another question.

The rules state "in a civilian context, pure passenger-carrying means of transport are NOT within the GB's scope".  How much cargo has to be carried before the means of transport falls within the GB's scope?
Take for example a bus carrying mixed passengers and freight.  How much floor space would have to be given over to freight?

The Mods will deliberate.

Other than passenger luggage, what sort of 'freight' is carried on a bus?

If it was the 1/72 bus I have in my stash, then oil drums and crates of "machine parts".

But I would like a more general answer.  If I build a civilian vehicle which carries both passengers and freight*, how much space should I give over to freight?

*Freight could include cargo, mail, vehicles, livestock etc.

It might help while deliberating to consider that commercial passenger aircraft regularly carry mail as well as the passengers luggage.  Indeed, most international mail travels on passenger aircraft.

What you have then is something normal and doesn't fit into the 'spirit of the GB', you might as well not have a Logistics GB.

Which is why I pointed it out.  The role of the rules is to prevent the normal.
Whatever happens though, everything still has to be a whiff.
But not everything has to be military.

[Old Wombat]

A lot of cargo aircraft have some level of passenger capacity (as do many cargo ships), usually this equates to about 5% to 10% of their freight-carrying volume.

Might I suggest that this be the accepted norm for the GB?


PS: Once you get towards the 25% passenger volume many of these craft & vessels are considered "passenger" carriers, with a sideline in freight as most of the income is generated by the passengers. If military, this poses no issue as troops are generally considered (& treated pretty much like) freight; for civil purposes, though, that is an issue, as (generally) paying customers are not, at least, treated as freight (although are often listed as cargo).