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Other modeller's attitudes to Whiffing

Started by PR19_Kit, October 21, 2022, 07:09:11 AM

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NARSES2

Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 26, 2022, 06:43:54 AMI bet the F-111K's wing span question comes up yet AGAIN!  :banghead:

Haven't read it yet, but a quick glance reveals there's a small bit in the paragraph on F-111K configuration. He just mentions there's two different opinions out there.
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NARSES2

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Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong.

PR19_Kit

Quote from: NARSES2 on October 27, 2022, 05:35:54 AMHe just mentions there's two different opinions out there.


There are pics that PROVE they only had the shorter wings, no 'opinion' about it.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

zenrat

Kit, are you arguing for shorter wings?!   :o  :o  :o
Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere...for your convenience..

PR19_Kit

Quote from: zenrat on October 28, 2022, 04:07:12 AMKit, are you arguing for shorter wings?!   :o  :o  :o


No, I'm not ARGUING, I'm stating the fact that they WERE shorter.

Of course it was the wrong decision, longer wings are ALWAYS better  ;D  but that just went along with the whole TSR2/F-11K/Buccaneer/Tornado tale of woe.  :banghead:
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

PR19_Kit

Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 26, 2022, 06:43:54 AMI bet the F-111K's wing span question comes up yet AGAIN!  :banghead:


It did of course, although they didn't print the pic that SHOWS it was a short span version.

One wonderful piece of whimsy is the article shows the side view of an F-111K in RAF camo, flying with 12 Sqdn in 1969, which has the Sqdn. Cmdr's pennant under the canopy with the title 'WG CDR Mike McEvoy':thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Gondor

Quote from: NARSES2 on October 27, 2022, 05:35:54 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 26, 2022, 06:43:54 AMI bet the F-111K's wing span question comes up yet AGAIN!  :banghead:

Haven't read it yet, but a quick glance reveals there's a small bit in the paragraph on F-111K configuration. He just mentions there's two different opinions out there.

Just been reading the article and on page 56 the section with the sub title F-111K Configuration states that it was the normal F-111A wingspan with the same ferry tips as the F-111A had available to use if required although there was a 0.2 inch descrepency between Brittish and American measurement's of the wing span in the swept position.

Gondor
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Gondor's Modelling Rule Number Three: Everything will fit perfectly untill you apply glue...

I know it's in a book I have around here somewhere....

PR19_Kit

I can't say I've ever heard, or seen pics, of these ferry tips.

And a Google search doesn't come up with anything either.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Pellson

Still very, very pleased to have been able to read this article. Thanks a lot, Chris.  :thumbsup:
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NARSES2

Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 30, 2022, 02:19:32 PMOne wonderful piece of whimsy is the article shows the side view of an F-111K in RAF camo, flying with 12 Sqdn in 1969, which has the Sqdn. Cmdr's pennant under the canopy with the title 'WG CDR Mike McEvoy':thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

Yup, I thought that was a lovely tribute  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
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Gondor

Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 30, 2022, 04:11:28 PMI can't say I've ever heard, or seen pics, of these ferry tips.

And a Google search doesn't come up with anything either.

Found this : "On the F-111A, when the wings were swept back, the wingtips fell clearly short of the tips of the tailfins; the F-111B had longer-span wings that reached flush to the tips of the tailfins. Apparently there were "ferry tips" that could be attached to the wings of the F-111A and other short-winged variants, but they were rarely if ever used -- not having the bracing of the wing spar, they could snap off fairly easily, and so could only be used for tame ferry flights. The tailplanes, which were set at the same height as the wing, were of "all-moving" configuration, and could be pivoted in alternating directions to perform roll control when the wings were fully swept, the spoilers being disabled in that configuration. There were twin fixed ventral fins under the tail. " here http://www.airvectors.net/avf111.html

Not 100% sure about it but willing enough to go with what they say about it hardly, if ever, haveing been used.

Gondor
My Ability to Imagine is only exceeded by my Imagined Abilities

Gondor's Modelling Rule Number Three: Everything will fit perfectly untill you apply glue...

I know it's in a book I have around here somewhere....

PR19_Kit

Like we've said many times on here 'if there's no pics it didn't happen'.  ;D
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Accidental Loggie

Quote from: NARSES2 on October 31, 2022, 06:19:24 AM
Quote from: PR19_Kit on October 30, 2022, 02:19:32 PMOne wonderful piece of whimsy is the article shows the side view of an F-111K in RAF camo, flying with 12 Sqdn in 1969, which has the Sqdn. Cmdr's pennant under the canopy with the title 'WG CDR Mike McEvoy':thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

Yup, I thought that was a lovely tribute  :thumbsup:  :thumbsup:

I just might have to invest in a copy, then 👍.  Of course, it would certainly need a shark mouth to confirm it as the Sqn Boss's aircraft though.....
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McColm

Does it really matter what length the wings were, everyone has their own opinion and likewise will built it on what resource material they have.  :banghead:

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