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A B-58 but not a B-58 ..Finsh pics up

Started by Wardukw, February 18, 2023, 12:33:34 AM

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DogfighterZen

#15
February 21, 2023, 04:03:36 PM
This is gonna be good... :mellow:
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jcf

#16
February 21, 2023, 04:17:44 PM
Speaking of B-58 oddities, in the F-102 entry of the 1955 book The Jet Aircraft of the World by William Green,
Roy Cross, Norman Blackburn and Ian Huntley it has a little tidbit about the then under development B-58
stating that the XB-58: " ... is to be powered by eight General Electric J79-GE turbojets of 15,000 lbs. thrust
which will be mounted semi-externally in the thin wing.".

:o ;D

Hmm, now how would that beast appear?  :unsure:

Old Wombat

#17
February 21, 2023, 04:25:12 PM
Quote from: jcf on February 21, 2023, 04:17:44 PMSpeaking of B-58 oddities, in the F-102 entry of the 1955 book The Jet Aircraft of the World by William Green,
Roy Cross, Norman Blackburn and Ian Huntley it has a little tidbit about the then under development B-58
stating that the XB-58: " ... is to be powered by eight General Electric J79-GE turbojets of 15,000 lbs. thrust
which will be mounted semi-externally in the thin wing.".

:o ;D

Hmm, now how would that beast appear?  :unsure:

Something akin to a Concord, I'd think. ;)
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rickshaw

#18
February 21, 2023, 05:33:47 PM
Quote from: Old Wombat on February 21, 2023, 04:25:12 PM
Quote from: jcf on February 21, 2023, 04:17:44 PMSpeaking of B-58 oddities, in the F-102 entry of the 1955 book The Jet Aircraft of the World by William Green,
Roy Cross, Norman Blackburn and Ian Huntley it has a little tidbit about the then under development B-58
stating that the XB-58: " ... is to be powered by eight General Electric J79-GE turbojets of 15,000 lbs. thrust
which will be mounted semi-externally in the thin wing.".

:o ;D

Hmm, now how would that beast appear?  :unsure:

Something akin to a Concord, I'd think. ;)

More akin to the B-52, I think, with eight engines externally mounted...   :o  :o
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mexchiwa

#19
February 22, 2023, 07:56:44 AM
Unless I misunderstood - it'll be an F-111 with B-58 landing gear?  That seems like an odd match - the 111 had strong, stout gear and the Hustler had stalky toothpick legs

Wardukw

#20
February 22, 2023, 09:10:35 AM
You understand correctly mate...the problem with using a 1/48th scale landing gear especially those on the 111 is that the back wheels would be around 6 to 7 ft in height and will still look like a 111...and for it to be a closer mutant version to a B-58 I'll need to use B-58 landing gear .
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Wardukw

#21
February 25, 2023, 08:30:35 PM
I was taking a look at the remains of this B-58 I'm using for this build and discovered to my dismay that one of the rear main landing gear struts has gone bye bye so I'm gonna that build 2 brand new ones since I am no where good enough to duplicate the kit part perfectly.
Shouldn't be to annoying to build..twice  :unsure:

I am having thoughts about what Jon mentioned about 4 engines mounted inside the air frame and I'm am liking the idea of 4 afterburners side by side instead of 2 whopping great engines..it would be a bit more accurate to a 50s time line.
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Wardukw

#22
March 01, 2023, 12:11:38 AM
Started to do some figuring out on this beast...I want 4 engines ..side by side inside the fuselage...also looking on how to build the new wing and wonder how it will look with a T tail ..a delta main wing with a T tail might look weird so no decision on that yet ...or maybe a half delta or 3/4 delta with a T tail might work.
Oh some good news..I found the missing rear landing gear strut..so chuffed about that  :thumbsup: .
There's gonna be a heap of hacking and slashing on this ..I will have to rebuild the entire nose for the new cockpit as the 111s is far to wide ..this is gonna get interesting chaps  :wacko:
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

jcf

#23
March 01, 2023, 12:28:18 AM
Note that the description from the book states eight engines semi-recessed into the wings, not mounted
in the fuselage or nacelles under the fuselage ala Concorde.

;)

Wardukw

#24
March 01, 2023, 12:35:26 AM
Damn Jon I sure forgot that  ;D
8 engines is nuts and shows it either had weak engines...hence the 8 or someone was nuts about power ..which I totally agree with  :wacko:
I'm going with 4 cause that all I have and they will be the original engines on the 58...I'll have 4 afterburners side be side or another idea is in pairs ..still no sure how the layout would look with that layout as I'll have to rebuild the entire rear end of this anyway.
I still trying to figure out how to mount the rear landing gear  :lol:
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

jcf

#25
March 01, 2023, 01:52:19 PM
Quote from: Wardukw-NZ on March 01, 2023, 12:35:26 AMDamn Jon I sure forgot that  ;D
8 engines is nuts and shows it either had weak engines...hence the 8 or someone was nuts about power ..which I totally agree with  :wacko:
I'm going with 4 cause that all I have and they will be the original engines on the 58...I'll have 4 afterburners side be side or another idea is in pairs ..still no sure how the layout would look with that layout as I'll have to rebuild the entire rear end of this anyway.
I still trying to figure out how to mount the rear landing gear  :lol:
The description was eight J79 the actual B-58 had four J79.  ;)

Wardukw

#26
March 01, 2023, 03:08:17 PM
Quote from: jcf on March 01, 2023, 01:52:19 PM
Quote from: Wardukw-NZ on March 01, 2023, 12:35:26 AMDamn Jon I sure forgot that  ;D
8 engines is nuts and shows it either had weak engines...hence the 8 or someone was nuts about power ..which I totally agree with  :wacko:
I'm going with 4 cause that all I have and they will be the original engines on the 58...I'll have 4 afterburners side be side or another idea is in pairs ..still no sure how the layout would look with that layout as I'll have to rebuild the entire rear end of this anyway.
I still trying to figure out how to mount the rear landing gear  :lol:
The description was eight J79 the actual B-58 had four J79.  ;)
Damn that's a heap of horse power there..if I remember correctly which I wouldn't bet on I think the J79 was like 15000lbs thrust with afterburner on ..so times 8 is 120.000lbs thrust...oh mum ma...that's nuts ..freakin love it  ;D
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

Wardukw

#27
March 01, 2023, 07:58:41 PM
A start has been made ...well I glued the wings together. ..getting them ready for being cut up ...glued the front fuselage sections together...there's not going to be much of this left .
Building the cockpit and since I've kinda buggered the original layout the back seaters area is getting changed a fare but still a crew of 3 ..so least I'm able to keep the crew numbers right .
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

Wardukw

#28
March 02, 2023, 10:44:00 PM
Well abit more measurements have been taken and ideas have come to mind then I've got to try and figure out just how the hell im going to make those ideas happen.
This all involves the cockpit ..the F-111 is twice as wide as the 72nd B-58 one ..so I've got to shrink this area down and find away to graft the back section of the 111s to the cockpit section of the 58.
I'll sort out something..most importantly it's gotta look cool and clean.
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

sandiego89

#29
March 03, 2023, 06:50:43 PM
Might end up looking like the TF-102 side by side trainer version (but retaining full weapon system) of the F-102.  Not pretty, but very interesting. 
Dave "Sandiego89"
Chesapeake, Virginia, USA
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