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Anti-shipping role for F-16XL?

Started by seadude, March 20, 2023, 03:47:22 PM

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NARSES2

Quote from: Old Wombat on March 21, 2023, 02:36:43 AM
Quote from: Nick on March 21, 2023, 02:12:16 AMClearly it needs to be an island nation, in a busy shipping region, where there is a strong possibility of conflict. They also need to have a good income and willingness to spend militarily.

I propose the Sovereign Military Hospitaller Order of Saint John of Jerusalem, of Rhodes and of Malta

Of course, that means you will have a Maltese Falcon  :wacko:

Oh, good grief! :banghead:  :banghead:  :banghead:

Don't worry I'm probably seeing the lad on Saturday all being well. Words will be had  ;)
Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong.

NARSES2

Quote from: seadude on March 20, 2023, 07:10:52 PMActually, I'd much rather prefer either Norway or Denmark for the aircraft. With a strong leaning toward Denmark.


My first thought was Norway, using North Sea Oil money. I did look to see if I had any Norwegian or Danish markings for you, but I've only got some absolutely tiny ones which I assume are from an F.5 ? They'd look ridiculous unfortunately.
Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong.

Dizzyfugu

I'd suggest Denmark and especially Norway. The RNoAF used the indigenous AGM-119 Pengiun ASM on their F-16s for dedicated anti-shipping missions.


PR19_Kit

Quote from: NARSES2 on March 21, 2023, 05:53:33 AMDon't worry I'm probably seeing the lad on Saturday all being well. Words will be had  ;)


With The Book to hand no doubt?  ;D
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

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Kit

Pellson

Quote from: seadude on March 20, 2023, 07:10:52 PMActually, I'd much rather prefer either Norway or Denmark for the aircraft. With a strong leaning toward Denmark.
I don't have a backstory thought out, but I figured Denmark would be looking for an F-16 variant with greater range to use for an anti-shipping role as well as regular fighter/interceptor defense.
Denmark wanted to establish a new military airfield on Greenland not just to defend it's colonial territory there, but also to use the F-16XL in an anti-shipping role to defend the Greenland-Iceland-UK gap from Soviet naval forces.

For a Danish Super Viper, feel free to steal all you wish from my >>Super Deuce Backstory<<. Yours could just connect at the end of service for the F-102D's, f.i..  ;)
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

kerick

An F-102 on an anti ship mission? Heads would explode!
" Somewhere, between half true, and completely crazy, is a rainbow of nice colours "
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jcf

Quote from: PR19_Kit on March 21, 2023, 12:10:00 AM
Quote from: jcf on March 20, 2023, 10:05:22 PMYou cannot view this attachment.


Haven't they got the descriptive txts and the colour scheme drawings inverted there?
Yes, it's from an old 1980s IPMS-USA Journal article and it was missed before publication or if it was
seen it was after it had already been sent to the printers.

The old days before it took a couple of digital cut-n-pastes to correct.  ;D

jcf


GSI Creos Mr. Hobby released a JASDF Oceanic Scheme paint set which is evidently a close match
for the actual aircraft colours. The set has been discontinued, but the individual pots are supposedly
still available: C374 Shallow Ocean Blue; C375 Deep Ocean Blue; C376 Raydome Gray

In this photo the colours from the set are the lower samples on the card, the upper ones are the
older Gunze colour call outs from the Hasegawa kit. 

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McColm

This idea of yours reminds me of the live NATO Exercises during my day's in the Royal Auxiliary Air Force 1986-1997. The Exercises would end in Gibraltar and the USAF would supply a flight of F-15s as the bad guys attacking nominated ships carrying dummy Harpoon anti-ship missiles.
So a flight of F-16XLs in this role seems plausible but modifications would be needed to fly at 150 feet over over the sea, as the pilots would be constantly complaining about the bumpy ride.

Pellson

Quote from: kerick on March 21, 2023, 08:02:31 AMAn F-102 on an anti ship mission? Heads would explode!
You might have missed my point.  ;)
My offer was to tag along to the reasons I gave for basing interceptors on Greenland and the Faroes. not necessarily that F-102's would do ASuW job.
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!

Snowtrooper

Quote from: jcf on March 20, 2023, 10:05:22 PMOf course you could make it anything you want as the kit is a whif-in-a-box as it's not an accurate representation of the XL. The XL fuselage was lengthened but Monogram missed where and how it was lengthened when they produced the kit. The result is that the intake is too far forward and the main undercarriage bay too far aft. It's also missing the kicked up rear fuselage.
Looks like one would have to hack the kit apart pretty thoroughly to shorten the intake by 1cm (and replacing it with the bigger intake of late-block C's) while moving the gear bay forward :rolleyes: Angling the rear fuse is more like a rounding error in the required PSR.

kerick

Quote from: Pellson on March 22, 2023, 12:24:52 AM
Quote from: kerick on March 21, 2023, 08:02:31 AMAn F-102 on an anti ship mission? Heads would explode!
You might have missed my point.  ;)
My offer was to tag along to the reasons I gave for basing interceptors on Greenland and the Faroes. not necessarily that F-102's would do ASuW job.

I was making a leap of imagination. Too much caffeine.
" Somewhere, between half true, and completely crazy, is a rainbow of nice colours "
Tophe the Wise

Gondor

It's not totally ridiculous, I did an F-106 as a ground pounder



Gondor
My Ability to Imagine is only exceeded by my Imagined Abilities

Gondor's Modelling Rule Number Three: Everything will fit perfectly untill you apply glue...

I know it's in a book I have around here somewhere....

AeroplaneDriver

Quote from: McColm on March 22, 2023, 12:12:35 AMThis idea of yours reminds me of the live NATO Exercises during my day's in the Royal Auxiliary Air Force 1986-1997. The Exercises would end in Gibraltar and the USAF would supply a flight of F-15s as the bad guys attacking nominated ships carrying dummy Harpoon anti-ship missiles.
So a flight of F-16XLs in this role seems plausible but modifications would be needed to fly at 150 feet over over the sea, as the pilots would be constantly complaining about the bumpy ride.



Said modification would require fitting a smaller, higher loaded wing.  Something like this maybe?

;)  ;D


So I got that going for me...which is nice....

kerick

Quote from: Gondor on March 22, 2023, 10:13:23 AMIt's not totally ridiculous, I did an F-106 as a ground pounder



Gondor

There's a picture somewhere of an F-102 or F-106 loaded with bombs as a joke in South Korea I believe. Might be in the Squadron Signal book of the F-106 the more I think about. Some big wig was visiting the base so they loaded up some bomb racks in place of the wing tanks to see how long it would take to notice it.
" Somewhere, between half true, and completely crazy, is a rainbow of nice colours "
Tophe the Wise