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Anti-submarine SV-22 Osprey in retro PBJ-1H/J colors?

Started by seadude, September 24, 2023, 01:11:42 PM

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Wardukw

Quote from: seadude on December 04, 2024, 04:43:17 PMSo like I've probably mentioned in past posts, I'm going to try and paint this model in a retro WW2 scheme that US Navy and/or Marine Corps PBJ-1H/J Mitchells had.
This being:
Darker US Navy Sea Blue on top/upper portions of the aircraft.
Medium Intermediate Blue on middle portions of the aircraft.
Underside surfaces to be white (or Insignia White?)
I'll be using the following Vallejo Model Air Color paints:
71.001 White (or 71.279 Insignia White)
71.299 Intermediate Blue
71.295 US Navy Sea Blue

But here's my problem:
Were the undersides painted a regular pure white? Or was it an "insignia white" which seems to have a slight tint to it. Almost like a very light cream color.
As I've done research in past months, I've gotten a lot of conflicting answers. Can anybody help out?





It could be which do you want to use sort of deals ...I did some hunting and I got the same conflicting things too.
Insignia white tho was the more common colour I came across in my searching if that helps .
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My understanding, gleaned from a significant number of sources over the years, is that the USN used Insignia White in that scheme, & I've not seen any photo's that cause me to doubt that.
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seadude

Bottom of the aircraft has been painted white.
I'll give that 24-48 hours to dry before I start on the middle color which is Intermediate Blue.
Then all the top surfaces of the aircraft will be US Navy Sea Blue.
Enigine assemblys for the main rotors are built, but not painted yet. Those were a PITA to put together.  :banghead: 
Had to take quite a bit of gap filling super glue to fill a few gaps.
Other items done are:
Rotor blades painted.
Landing gear doors painted.
Landing gear painted.
Torpedoes painted, but really wasn't sure what colors they were supposed to be.
Landing gear bays will need to be repainted.









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seadude

And a few more pics............
The middle portion of the aircraft has now been painted Vallejo # 71.299 Intermediate Blue.
Later today, I hope to paint the upper portion of the aircraft Vallejo # 71.295 US Navy Sea Blue.
Other items I need to do in the next few days are repaint the landing gear bays, add VHF/UHF antennas on top of the aircraft, paint the leading edge of the wings black, and paint the rotor engines that fit on the ends of the wings.
And there's still more details after all that yet. But I'll get to those later.











Modeling isn't just about how good the gluing or painting, etc. looks. It's also about how creative and imaginative you can be with a subject.
My modeling philosophy is: Don't build what everyone else has done. Build instead what nobody has seen or done before.

seadude

Well, this is a disappointment. :(   :banghead:
The decals that come with the kit are shown below in the first pic. Can't really say I'm a fan of black or light gray markings on a blue PBJ-1H color schemed V-22 Osprey.
I just don't think they'd look that good on a blue background, know what I mean?
I'd much rather have something a bit more "colorful" like what is shown in the 2nd pic of the Hasegawa aircraft. I think those would look a hell of a lot better. ;)
But I can't find any aftermarket 1/72 scale V-22 decals that are that "colorful" that I need.
So..........I may eventually have to use the kit supplied decals. But I think only the lighter gray decals might work best on a blue background.
For the 3rd pic below, I need some old style WW2 American roundels. Preferably the one indicated by the red arrow.
I contacted my local model club members to ask if anybody had any that they can bring to the model club meeting this coming weekend.









Modeling isn't just about how good the gluing or painting, etc. looks. It's also about how creative and imaginative you can be with a subject.
My modeling philosophy is: Don't build what everyone else has done. Build instead what nobody has seen or done before.

NARSES2

That's a shame re the markings, hope you can get them sorted as this is going to look great in the retro scheme.

I've lots of the national markings you are after, but I'm in the UK. However if all else fails ....
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I might have the yellow rescue markings. They would not all be from the same sheet but you could probably make them work. Let me know.
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The colours are looking great ! For sure she needs colorful markings to go with it.
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seadude

Things are starting to get a bit more "colorful" on this model.  :thumbsup:
Got all three main colors pretty much done. All I have to do now is some minor tiny touchups.
The black leading edges on the wings were quite difficult. I was very worried I would screw that up and get black paint on the white undersides of the wings where it should not be.
But things turned out fine. So no worries. If I had screwed up, trying to paint white over black is a PITA.  :banghead: 
You can't see it much in the pics, but the landing gear bays are painted a medium gray.
Hardest part to paint will eventually be the cockpit canopy. Not sure when I'll do that, but it will be soon.









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looking very smart there,  and it does stand out well.   :thumbsup:
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seadude

Quote from: Steel Penguin on December 11, 2024, 12:18:00 PMlooking very smart there,  and it does stand out well.   :thumbsup:

It'll stand out a lot better when I get and add decals to it..............whenever that might be.
Modeling isn't just about how good the gluing or painting, etc. looks. It's also about how creative and imaginative you can be with a subject.
My modeling philosophy is: Don't build what everyone else has done. Build instead what nobody has seen or done before.

seadude

Regarding my earlier Post # 49 about decals and markings..............
I did find this model in the ARC gallery on another modeling site.
http://www.arcair.com/Gal16/15201-16300/gal15262-V-22-Leonard/00.shtm
It doesn't have the more brighter or colorful markings like I had wanted. It shows some black markings/decals on a lighter blue camouflaged Japanese V-22.
You have to click each individual picture for better detail.
Granted, those might work better for a lighter blue/gray painted V-22, but since my aircraft model is darker colored, particuarly the dark US Navy Sea Blue, I doubt black or medium/dark gray markings will show up that well or look good.
Modeling isn't just about how good the gluing or painting, etc. looks. It's also about how creative and imaginative you can be with a subject.
My modeling philosophy is: Don't build what everyone else has done. Build instead what nobody has seen or done before.

Rick Lowe

Nah, for something in that sort of retro scheme, you need full-colour markings.  :thumbsup:
Coming along nicely.  :lol:

seadude

For being one of the earliest kits (1989) made of a V-22 Osprey aircraft, the instructions are pretty poor on how the rotor blades are to be attached to the rotor hub, the pitch/angle of the blades, etc.  :banghead:  :banghead:  :banghead:
So for anybody building a V-22 model (and especially the kit I'm building here), please study the instructions VERY CAREFULLY as well as viewing real pictures of the rotor blades for the V-22 aircraft and how they are positioned.
As shown in the below picture, I even had to add small dabs of red or blue paint to the insides of the engine/rotor assemblies so I know which rotor assembly matches up to which engine.
Oh, and to add a bit of "color" to the model, I painted the tips of the rotor blades yellow just like how a real PBJ-1H/J aircraft would have.




Modeling isn't just about how good the gluing or painting, etc. looks. It's also about how creative and imaginative you can be with a subject.
My modeling philosophy is: Don't build what everyone else has done. Build instead what nobody has seen or done before.

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