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"The Dam Busters" - Movie aircraft. Finished pics & back story (at last!) pg 18.

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jcf

Quote from: Old Wombat on March 04, 2024, 01:02:11 AMThe Doolittle Raid, where the RAF supply Mosquitoes, piloted by various hand-picked crews from the Commonwealth, to fly off HMS Ark Royal to bomb Japan, on behalf of the US, as payback for the attack on Pearl Harbour. :wacko: :P





[Only, being combat veterans, they do a better job of it. ;)  ;D ]
The Doolittle Raid was 18 April 1942, the Mosquito B.Mk.IV entered service in May 1942.
Ark Royal sank 14 November 1941.

Rheged

"If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you....."
It  means that you read  the instruction sheet

Old Wombat

Quote from: jcf on March 11, 2024, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: Old Wombat on March 04, 2024, 01:02:11 AMThe Doolittle Raid, where the RAF supply Mosquitoes, piloted by various hand-picked crews from the Commonwealth, to fly off HMS Ark Royal to bomb Japan, on behalf of the US, as payback for the attack on Pearl Harbour. :wacko: :P





[Only, being combat veterans, they do a better job of it. ;)  ;D ]
The Doolittle Raid was 18 April 1942, the Mosquito B.Mk.IV entered service in May 1942.
Ark Royal sank 14 November 1941.

We're talking Hollywood/Elstree here, Jon, since when have little things like "facts" ever stopped them? :unsure:  ;)
Has a life outside of What-If & wishes it would stop interfering!

"The purpose of all War is Peace" - St. Augustine

veritas ad mortus veritas est

jcf

Quote from: Old Wombat on March 11, 2024, 04:13:53 PM
Quote from: jcf on March 11, 2024, 03:46:11 PM
Quote from: Old Wombat on March 04, 2024, 01:02:11 AMThe Doolittle Raid, where the RAF supply Mosquitoes, piloted by various hand-picked crews from the Commonwealth, to fly off HMS Ark Royal to bomb Japan, on behalf of the US, as payback for the attack on Pearl Harbour. :wacko: :P





 [Only, being combat veterans, they do a better job of it. ;)  ;D ]
The Doolittle Raid was 18 April 1942, the Mosquito B.Mk.IV entered service in May 1942.
Ark Royal sank 14 November 1941.

We're talking Hollywood/Elstree here, Jon, since when have little things like "facts" ever stopped them? :unsure:  ;)
In that case it best be B.35s flying off of an Essex-class dressed up as the Ark.
;)

zenrat

Quote from: jcf on March 11, 2024, 01:02:43 PMSomething to bear in mind with the B-17 is that the keel and the centreline bomb racks are part of the
aircraft structure and bear structural loads, so modifications would need to be approached very carefully.

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Thanks for those Jon.  The movie studio technical department would have told you that Boeing Z'ed the keels of the B17E Specials, raising the section running through the bomb bay so as to allow the (cylindrical) upkeeps to be partially recessed in the bomb bay.  This was required so they could be loaded from the same trolleys used by the RAF.
The centreline bomb rails were retained but shortened.

The script had the USAAF missions in daylight for "plot reasons".

Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

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PR19_Kit

Quote from: zenrat on March 12, 2024, 04:02:55 AMThanks for those Jon.  The movie studio technical department would have told you that Boeing Z'ed the keels of the B17E Specials, raising the section running through the bomb bay so as to allow the (cylindrical) upkeeps to be partially recessed in the bomb bay.  This was required so they could be loaded from the same trolleys used by the RAF.
The centreline bomb rails were retained but shortened.

The script had the USAAF missions in daylight for "plot reasons".


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Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

zenrat

I'm sure the "plot reasons" will become clear to me when I write a brief synopsis for the back story.
Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere...for your convenience..

Old Wombat

Quote from: zenrat on March 12, 2024, 04:49:53 AMI'm sure the "plot reasons" will become clear to me when I write a brief synopsis for the back story.

Because romance happens at night & war happens during the day!
Has a life outside of What-If & wishes it would stop interfering!

"The purpose of all War is Peace" - St. Augustine

veritas ad mortus veritas est

NARSES2

Quote from: Rheged on March 11, 2024, 04:05:24 PMUSN did borrow a carrier from RN  in world war 2.   https://www.armouredcarriers.com/uss-robin-hms-victorious.       https://www.history.navy.mil/browse-by-topic/wars-conflicts-and-operations/world-war-ii/1943/beyond-guadalcanal/uss-robin.html

This might provide a degree of entertainment for fellow whiffers

Dad was serving on one of her escorts when she sailed to Bermuda  :thumbsup:
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jcf

If it was an American International Pictures Samuel Z. Arkoff production directed by Roger Corman they
would probably have stuck with spherical bombs.
Each B-17E special carrying two, mounted abreast behind partial hemispherical fairings. 

The film would have to be titled Operation Radish

:wacko:

zenrat

Airfix bomb is cylindrical so i'm sticking with that shape.  It is immediately recognisable for what it is which is a good thing if I take the completed build to Model Expo in June.   :wacko:

However, spheroid bombs are tempting on something else later.  A Highball Beaufighter maybe.


Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere...for your convenience..

Weaver

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Quote from: PR19_Kit on March 09, 2024, 02:13:02 AMThe later Ford Zephyrs and Zodiacs, the ones with the V6 engines, had MASSIVE engine compartments, so large the spare wheel was in there too! They use the spares to direct the air flow from the radiator. I could step inside the engine space in those too.

In the industry we called them 'aircraft carriers' as the bonnet (hood....) was SO huge.

Yamaha XS1100SG air filter box. This is a plastic "shoe box" that sticks far enough out of the sides of the bike that it needs chrome end caps to look decent. So the access to change the filter is obvious right? Take the end caps off, right? Right?

Wrong. The airbox is split horizontally, so you have to drop the bottom half of the box down into the 2" gap between it and the gearbox, which helpfully has a 1" tall, non-removable breather on top of it. The bottom half of the box is held on to the top half by two 4" long screws, which go into blind holes, from the bottom, so you have to extract them into that 2" space. Then, once you'd spent a couple of hours getting the screws out by dismanting half the rest of the bike to get an extra 1/2" of clearance and bending plastic far enough that you're praying it won't snap, your next job is to extract the air filter. Which is sitting on top of the lower box-half. And is 4" tall... :o 

Good, game, good game... :banghead:  :banghead:  :banghead:


My dad's old Skoda 120 Estelle had loads of room around the rear-mounted engine. He used to carry a substantial tool kit in the rear wings.
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loupgarou

Quote from: jcf on March 12, 2024, 09:08:43 AMIf it was an American International Pictures Samuel Z. Arkoff production directed by Roger Corman they
would probably have stuck with spherical bombs.
Each B-17E special carrying two, mounted abreast behind partial hemispherical fairings.

The film would have to be titled Operation Radish.

:wacko:

I see nobody else dared evoke an ancient glory of this forum.... ;D  :wacko:
Owing to the current financial difficulties, the light at the end of the tunnel will be turned off until further notice.

perttime

As it is a movie aircraft, perhaps you should mount some period correct film cameras on it.

NARSES2

Quote from: loupgarou on March 13, 2024, 09:37:27 AM
Quote from: jcf on March 12, 2024, 09:08:43 AMIf it was an American International Pictures Samuel Z. Arkoff production directed by Roger Corman they
would probably have stuck with spherical bombs.
Each B-17E special carrying two, mounted abreast behind partial hemispherical fairings.

The film would have to be titled Operation Radish.

:wacko:

I see nobody else dared evoke an ancient glory of this forum.... ;D  :wacko:

And he's still going strong  ;D  :thumbsup:
Do not condemn the judgement of another because it differs from your own. You may both be wrong.