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Cessna 310 - Katanga

Started by mat, March 15, 2024, 12:22:14 PM

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Weaver

Quote from: Old Wombat on March 17, 2024, 01:25:11 AMAll those supposed "professional" soldiers & not a single one thought to aim his weapon! :banghead:  :banghead:  :banghead:

Common in movies, even when the actors know how to do it properly: directors insist that they fire from the hip/chest so that their faces are visible on camera.
"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

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 - Indiana Jones

mat

Quote from: Old Wombat on March 17, 2024, 01:25:11 AMAll those supposed "professional" soldiers & not a single one thought to aim his weapon! :banghead:  :banghead:  :banghead:

And people firing salvos from the hip and hitting a target hundreds of meters away. In the last milenium I was a weapons instructor the the Danish Army Home Guard and NEVER saw that happen.

Old Wombat

Quote from: Weaver on March 17, 2024, 01:34:19 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on March 17, 2024, 01:25:11 AMAll those supposed "professional" soldiers & not a single one thought to aim his weapon! :banghead:  :banghead:  :banghead:

Common in movies, even when the actors know how to do it properly: directors insist that they fire from the hip/chest so that their faces are visible on camera.

Film them from the opposite side to the weapon! :banghead:

Quote from: mat on March 17, 2024, 02:00:09 AMAnd people firing salvos from the hip and hitting a target hundreds of meters away. In the last milenium I was a weapons instructor the the Danish Army Home Guard and NEVER saw that happen.

Precisely! Even with aiming those 9mm Uzis & Stens would have been pretty useless; without aiming - a complete waste of ammunition.



[And, yes, I know it's a movie but some things just grate on the nerves.]
Has a life outside of What-If & wishes it would stop interfering!

"The purpose of all War is Peace" - St. Augustine

veritas ad mortus veritas est

mat

Quote from: Weaver on March 17, 2024, 12:57:30 AM
Quote from: Dizzyfugu on March 16, 2024, 01:49:35 AMCan't remember if it was Katanga or Biafra, but there was a De Havilland Dove (ironically) used as a gunship with a single M2HB jury-rigged in the side door.

You're right. I found this picture on WWW, so at least there was a (not so peaceful) Dove in Biafra.

 
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mat

Quote from: Old Wombat on March 17, 2024, 02:11:54 AM
Quote from: Weaver on March 17, 2024, 01:34:19 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on March 17, 2024, 01:25:11 AMAll those supposed "professional" soldiers & not a single one thought to aim his weapon! :banghead:  :banghead:  :banghead:

Common in movies, even when the actors know how to do it properly: directors insist that they fire from the hip/chest so that their faces are visible on camera.

Film them from the opposite side to the weapon! :banghead:

Quote from: mat on March 17, 2024, 02:00:09 AMAnd people firing salvos from the hip and hitting a target hundreds of meters away. In the last milenium I was a weapons instructor the the Danish Army Home Guard and NEVER saw that happen.

Precisely! Even with aiming those 9mm Uzis & Stens would have been pretty useless; without aiming - a complete waste of ammunition.



[And, yes, I know it's a movie but some things just grate on the nerves.]
:thumbsup:

Weaver

Quote from: Old Wombat on March 17, 2024, 02:11:54 AM
Quote from: Weaver on March 17, 2024, 01:34:19 AM
Quote from: Old Wombat on March 17, 2024, 01:25:11 AMAll those supposed "professional" soldiers & not a single one thought to aim his weapon! :banghead:  :banghead:  :banghead:

Common in movies, even when the actors know how to do it properly: directors insist that they fire from the hip/chest so that their faces are visible on camera.

Film them from the opposite side to the weapon! :banghead:


"But the composition dahhhling, the lighting, the art!"
"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones

Old Wombat

Quote from: Weaver on March 17, 2024, 02:17:50 AM"But the composition dahhhling, the lighting, the art!"

F____ it! Get the details right & the "art" will follow!
Has a life outside of What-If & wishes it would stop interfering!

"The purpose of all War is Peace" - St. Augustine

veritas ad mortus veritas est

Weaver

Hah, knew I had the picture somewhere! Dove door gunner:

"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones

mat

That would be a very dangerous installation in a Cessna 310, where the door is right over the wing !

jcf

1/62nd is close to 1/64th which is a common diecast car scale - Matchbox, Hot Wheels, Johnny Lightning and a huge number of other brands. Lot's of farm
toys - tractors etc. and accessories are available in
1/64th. 

It's also model RR S-Scale and architectural 3/16" = 1' scale.

The old Lindbergh B-17 and He 111 are 1/64th.

Weaver

#25
Quote from: Weaver on March 17, 2024, 01:12:49 AMA Cessna 310D is the aircraft used to attack the mercenary group on a bridge in the movie The Wild Geese:



impdb listing: http://impdb.org/index.php?title=The_Wild_Geese

The Wild Geese is, of course, based on events in central Africa in the 1960s, and the character of President Limbani is a thinly-disguised portrayal of Moise Tshombe, who was president of Katanga and later the Congo.

The Wild Geese is also based loosely on the exploits of "Mad" Mike Hoare, who actually acted as a technical advisor on the film. By an amazing coincidence, Youtuber Count Dankula has this evening put up a video in his "Mad Lads" series all about Mike Hoare:

WARNING: SPICY LANGUAGE AND DARK HUMOUR - NOT FOR THE EASILY OFFENDED

"Things need not have happened to be true. Tales and dreams are the shadow-truths that will endure when mere facts are dust and ashes, and forgot."
 - Sandman: A Midsummer Night's Dream, by Neil Gaiman

"I dunno, I'm making this up as I go."
 - Indiana Jones

PR19_Kit

Quote from: jcf on March 17, 2024, 03:49:57 PMThe old Lindbergh B-17 and He 111 are 1/64th.


That Lindberg B-17 was the first plastic kit I ever bought!  :thumbsup:

It looked ENORMOUS to 11 yr old me, carrying it home on the bus.  ;D
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Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

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mat

Quote from: PR19_Kit on March 17, 2024, 04:47:38 PM
Quote from: jcf on March 17, 2024, 03:49:57 PMThe old Lindbergh B-17 and He 111 are 1/64th.


That Lindberg B-17 was the first plastic kit I ever bought!  :thumbsup:

It looked ENORMOUS to 11 yr old me, carrying it home on the bus.  ;D
My first kit was the Airfix SR-53 in a bag. It was i 1959! I just glued together (with lots of fingerprints all over it) and placed the decals in almost all the wrong places.

mat

The Aurora kit is from a time, when the paint scheme was engraved in the plastic. Did anyone ever painted kits by using the engraving? So some PSR are required. The Aurora Cessna 310 kit was intended to stand on a pedestal as a desk model. But almost all of my models are standing solid on Terra Firma. So I have opened the wheel wells.

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NARSES2

Quote from: mat on March 18, 2024, 11:59:14 AMThe Aurora kit is from a time, when the paint scheme was engraved in the plastic. Did anyone ever painted kits by using the engraving?

I can remember those old Aurora kits but can't remember that. Mind you I only ever had one or two and they were the missiles/rockets they did I think  :unsure:  Long time ago.
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