Mirage 2000

[Aircav]

What about the "Cougar"  

[Radish]

The entire Mirage family are SPECTREs, starting with the Mirage IIIE = Spectre F.1.
Take it from there.
I worked it all out once.

I like the current thoughts though....Poodle F.1??


By the way, when are we filling the tunnel with concrete?  

[nev]

I do like "Lionheart".  A Frenchman who became one of Englands greatest warrior kings, despite hardly ever setting a foot on our fair isle.

Mirage 2000 = Lionheart

Mirage 4000 = Mosquito (twin engine, multi-role fighter)

[Gary]

How about calling it the Fury after the Hawker Fury.

The French Fury

Dassault Fury Gr1

[Leigh]

How about............... Mirage?

It is a weather phenomenon as us Brits like to name our planes after.

Or we could name it after a dreary northern town......The Dassault Scunthorpe?

[NARSES2]

How about............... Mirage?

It is a weather phenomenon as us Brits like to name our planes after.

Or we could name it after a dreary northern town......The Dassault Scunthorpe?

Being pedantic is a Mirage a weather phenomenon ? I thought it was an optical illusion caused by light condition's and refraction/reflection ?

I know being a southerner I shouldn't be the one leaping to it's defence but Scunthorpe aint that bad, especially considering it's the largest steel producing town/city in the UK (3.9mt in 2004), the blast furnaces all have names (the 4 Queens - must be something to do with Rad ?) rather then as everywhere else in the world simply numbers, there's some nice countryside around it, a rare orchid grows within the confines of the works it'self - and finally the killer blow - compared to Grimsby it's a peach !

Chris

[nev]

- and finally the killer blow - compared to Grimsby it's a peach !

oooh, you know how to hit a man where it hurts!  


Oh, and another thing, in my timeline 74 squadron gets re-activated as the "extra" fighter squadron, not a pretend wannabee fighter squadron like 25 - rumour has it that a former 25 squadron bloke was Top Brass when choice was made and naturally chose his old unit who  previously flew Bloodhound missiles    

[Radish]

If we're calling the Mirage 2000 after a place, I suggest a little village in Warwickshire...
So....
...the Dassault North Piddle F.1
 

[Nigel Bunker]

Stick with Mirage - it'd be nice to have a plane named after politician's promises.

[NARSES2]

If we're calling the Mirage 2000 after a place, I suggest a little village in Warwickshire...
So....
...the Dassault North Piddle F.1

Or a river in Dorset - Dassault Little Piss FGR1    

[nev]

OK, serious time again.  Evan said

I'll have to do a spot of research (and the most useful reference is, you guessed it, at work and I'm at home).  I'd have to check the envelope dimensions of the M53 and other engines before I made any suggestions for re-engining either the Mirage 2000 or Mirage 4000.

Well, there was a Mirage 3000 proposal with RB.199s, and the Mirage 4000 was also proposed with twin RB.199s, but given the Tornado ADVs poor perfomance at high altitude, I'm not so keen on that idea.  

ATM I'm planning on going with M53-P2 engines for the 4000, as originally planned, then a late 90s upgrade with EJ.2000s

[elmayerle]

OK, serious time again.  Evan said

I'll have to do a spot of research (and the most useful reference is, you guessed it, at work and I'm at home).  I'd have to check the envelope dimensions of the M53 and other engines before I made any suggestions for re-engining either the Mirage 2000 or Mirage 4000.

Well, there was a Mirage 3000 proposal with RB.199s, and the Mirage 4000 was also proposed with twin RB.199s, but given the Tornado ADVs poor perfomance at high altitude, I'm not so keen on that idea.  

ATM I'm planning on going with M53-P2 engines for the 4000, as originally planned, then a late 90s upgrade with EJ.2000s

That looks to be about the best bet, though you'd need to tweak teh EJ200 to get the smae thrust as the M53-P2 but you'd have decidedly less weight (roughly 1000 lbs per engine - the M53-P2 appears to be as heavy as the afterburning TF41 that Allison played with, but with significantly less thrust).  You'd ahve to specially make the nozzles, but the engine that'd fit and really move either the 2000/4000 would be a reduced bypass-ratio F100-GE-132 (or, for that matter, a similar mod to a F100-PW-232).  Now, if you can enlarge the engines bay(s) of either Mirage to take an engine with an envelope 5 inches greater in diameter than the M53-P2, you can imstall a F110-GE-132 or F100-PW-232 directly.

HTH,
Evan

PS.  A single- or twin-engined Miarge with RB.199's would have to have a weight and/or drag reduction program as even the most powerful RB.199 is rather less powerful than the M53, in any variant.

[PolluxDeltaSeven]

Hello everybody!!

This morning I had a What-if idea: a Mirage 2000 specialised in anti-radar and jamming missions.

I have a old Heller Mirage 2000C, a very very bad model. So why not whatified it?

It will be an old Mirage 2000C modified in 2008 into a Mirage 2000-5 and another time into an Electronic Mirage in 2011
-I could scratch electronic "scramblers" (is that the good word??) like Eurofighter's ones at the end of the wings
-And another one on the top of the tail.
-The 30mm guns will be replaced by an internal electronic bay.

For the config, I see:
-2 air-air Magic II
-2 tanks 2000L
-1 central tank transform in a jamming pod
-2 Harm (I also think about modified Super 530 air-air missiles, 'cause I know that some Sidewinders were modified into anti-radar missiles) on the front "shoulder" pylons (MICA's pylons in M2000-5)
-2 bombs (JDAM or french ASSM, a bomb between LGB and JDAM) on the back MICA's pylons.


I think it will be a good plateform for such a plane, do't you??

I hope you like the idea.
If you see other think to do, other pods, other weapons, y'know, tell me.

Thanks...

[Jeffry Fontaine]

Hi PDS;

You are on the right track with the Wild Weasel version of the Mirage 2000, I certainly hope to see an image of your creation soon. 

By the way, how do you say "Wild Weasel" in the french language?

[PolluxDeltaSeven]

Yep!! Wild Weasel is "belette sauvage"... So cuuuuute!  

Indeed we never had a Wild Weasel fighter in French air force, so we never find a name in French.

When I speak about Wild Weasel, I think about the F-4 and F-105 in Viet Nam. But if it is a generic name, I will use it for my Mirage, until you guys find a name for it!
I hope you'll help me for that. I never was very good to find new plane's name.

You are on the right track with the Wild Weasel version of the Mirage 2000, I certainly hope to see an image of your creation soon.

I didn't do a model since I was 13 years old.
But this summer I have 2 month with nothing to do. I hope I will build the Rafale S and the sea-plane delta-fighter I show you.
But I have to be sure that I can do good painting etc etc... And I will test a lot of new products (new for me) like Future (named Klir in France) for example.

So I will test all of this probably on this Mirage 2000. It's a little model, not hard to build. I thing it will be done in July (I rest in June with my girlfriend )


PS: I have a new cam, I probably post my first pictures in "Current Project" next week


EDIT: huh... How could I change the name of my topic. I prefer "Wild Weasel Mirage 2000" but I can't change that with the "Edit" fonction