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Canada CF-105 Avro Arrow in the news.

Started by seadude, July 08, 2024, 03:02:27 PM

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seadude

An article just popped up on CNN today discussing the Canadian CF-105 Avro Arrow aircraft.
https://www.cnn.com/travel/canada-dream-supersonic-bomber-avro-arrow/index.html
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sandiego89

It might be a toss up between which cancelled program has generated more groans and sour grapes among enthusiasts, and articles over the years:

CF-105 Arrow
B-70 Valkyrie
BAC TSR-2

Honorable mention, Boeing 2707 SST

While all were elegant, a more nuanced review might conclude all were one trick ponies, prone to high costs and technical issues.     

 
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kitbasher

Pretty good article, I thought.

Good list from sandiego89, although with all due respect I'd probably not consider the B2707 - simply because it never flew.

Maybe we should get Chris to set up a poll to decide which of the three that did fly is the most emotive subject 😈 and then have a GB to commemorate it 😉

Or am I being evil?
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PR19_Kit

We'd all need much larger shelves if we went for the XB-70! I still haven't had the nerve to build mine completely. :(
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NARSES2

Quote from: kitbasher on July 09, 2024, 12:38:53 AMPretty good article, I thought.

Good list from sandiego89, although with all due respect I'd probably not consider the B2707 - simply because it never flew.

Maybe we should get Chris to set up a poll to decide which of the three that did fly is the most emotive subject 😈 and then have a GB to commemorate it 😉

Or am I being evil?

I'll just set up the ring, you provide the gloves  :angel:
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Weaver

The point about it being cancelled at just the right time to maintain the myth is a very good one, and also applies to TSR.2. In both cases they'd got as far as building a sexy flying machine, but these were hollow shells, not operational aircraft. In both cases the avionics development programmes were nightmares that, had the projects continued, might have sunk either or purely technical grounds, leading to a lot more money going down the drain and a much less favourable public perception. In addition, the Arrow didn't even have it's intended engines yet, and they could have been another source of problems, just as the TSR.2's were.
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kitbasher

Quote from: NARSES2 on July 09, 2024, 06:19:36 AM
Quote from: kitbasher on July 09, 2024, 12:38:53 AMPretty good article, I thought.

Good list from sandiego89, although with all due respect I'd probably not consider the B2707 - simply because it never flew.

Maybe we should get Chris to set up a poll to decide which of the three that did fly is the most emotive subject 😈 and then have a GB to commemorate it 😉

Or am I being evil?

I'll just set up the ring, you provide the gloves  :angel:

 ;D

Still can't unsee Donald Trump whenever the angel emoji is used!
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sandiego89

Quote from: kitbasher on July 09, 2024, 12:38:53 AMMaybe we should get Chris to set up a poll to decide which of the three that did fly is the most emotive subject 😈 and then have a GB to commemorate it 😉

Or am I being evil?

I like it!  Sour grapes GB?  ;)

Several more honorable mentions, but in a lessor category to our TSR/Arrow/B-70 angst:
Saunders Roe Princess
Cheyanne helicopter
Commanche
YF-23
F-107
Martin Baker Mb5
 
Dave "Sandiego89"
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zenrat

CAC CA-11 Woomera and CAC CA-15 Kangaroo.
Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere...for your convenience..

NARSES2

Quote from: sandiego89 on July 09, 2024, 11:39:48 AMSeveral more honorable mentions, but in a lessor category to our TSR/Arrow/B-70 angst:


That statement on its own is enough to start a punch-up  ;)  ;D

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