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Skyraider biplane

Started by kerick, September 22, 2024, 07:05:19 PM

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Wardukw

I've got pics of a RW DC3 float plane on one of my hard drives ..it's such a cool idea and one I've wanted to build in 48th for yrs..biggest problem..finding floats 😆
I'm jealous of Kits build cause god that looks good 👍
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PR19_Kit

Nice of you to say so, thanks. It was a bit of a PITA to do as it needed TONS of nose weight everywhere, even in the engines! and getting the floats positioned wasn't easy in the slightest. I still have it but it rarely gets shown these days.
Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

Wardukw

Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 29, 2024, 09:14:58 AMNice of you to say so, thanks. It was a bit of a PITA to do as it needed TONS of nose weight everywhere, even in the engines! and getting the floats positioned wasn't easy in the slightest. I still have it but it rarely gets shown these days.
I was wondering how much of a pain it would be mounting the floats Kit ..and the weight too.
Looking at the real thing side on you can see that everything is in the wrong place for balance..real plane not much of a problem..model wise as you discovered..problem..how bad would it be in 48th I wonder 🤔  :o
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

kerick

#33
I started the removal of the bomb pylons and filled the wheel wells. I have to figure out a wing center section for the upper wings to fit over the cockpit. I think I might put the upper wing on a pylon over the cockpit rather than attach it to the top of the canopy. I've got a crazy idea to lengthen the fuselage but that might make it too complicated and run over the time span. I've got to remember to keep this simple!
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jcf

How about going the Grumman\Columbia XJL-1 ÜberDuck route?You cannot view this attachment.

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jcf

#35
Dimensioned BuAer drawing:




jcf

Interestingly when the widebody Skyraider
was developed it was slightly lengthened.
Widebody and regular forward fuselage
comparison by Tommy Thomason.

PR19_Kit

Quote from: Wardukw on September 29, 2024, 10:23:04 AMI was wondering how much of a pain it would be mounting the floats Kit ..and the weight too.
Looking at the real thing side on you can see that everything is in the wrong place for balance..real plane not much of a problem..model wise as you discovered..problem..how bad would it be in 48th I wonder 🤔  :o


The silliest thing is that the floats are NOT centred under the engine nacelles, they're inset around a foot full size, which means the main struts need to be angled in two planes at once! Quite why Douglas didn't take the easy way out and have them directly under the nacelle centre line I've no idea.

I suspect it'd be a bit easier in 1/48 as everything would be larger and easier to handle, but of course you'd need to scratch the BIG floats and you'd need even MORE nose weight too.

This is a pretty poor pic, but it shows what I mean.

Kit's Rule 1 ) Any aircraft can be improved by fitting longer wings, and/or a longer fuselage
Kit's Rule 2) The backstory can always be changed to suit the model

...and I'm not a closeted 'Take That' fan, I'm a REAL fan! :)

Regards
Kit

jcf

EDO designed the floats and the installation, as to the positioning it likely had something to do with load paths. The DC-3 wing design doesn't have spars, it uses Jack Northrop's "multi-cellular" wing structure design. Which was conceived in the late 1920s during his early work on the concept of the flying wing, it's his greatest legacy.

Wardukw

Quote from: PR19_Kit on September 29, 2024, 12:31:29 PM
Quote from: Wardukw on September 29, 2024, 10:23:04 AMI was wondering how much of a pain it would be mounting the floats Kit ..and the weight too.
Looking at the real thing side on you can see that everything is in the wrong place for balance..real plane not much of a problem..model wise as you discovered..problem..how bad would it be in 48th I wonder 🤔  :o


The silliest thing is that the floats are NOT centred under the engine nacelles, they're inset around a foot full size, which means the main struts need to be angled in two planes at once! Quite why Douglas didn't take the easy way out and have them directly under the nacelle centre line I've no idea.

I suspect it'd be a bit easier in 1/48 as everything would be larger and easier to handle, but of course you'd need to scratch the BIG floats and you'd need even MORE nose weight too.

This is a pretty poor pic, but it shows what I mean.


Oh dude 😳
Yeah I can clearly see what you mean ...Jon had probably answered why it's like that..nothing structural enough in the nacelles for the size of the floats and as for building the floats  :o
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

kerick

#40
Those drawings look very cool. Especially the super duck!
Working on getting the bottom of the wings smoothed out. Pylons are gone and wheel wells filled in. Just a little more putty. Famous last words. I need to work on what's holding up the top wing.
" Somewhere, between half true, and completely crazy, is a rainbow of nice colours "
Tophe the Wise

Wardukw

 :thumbsup:
Looking forward to this matey 😄
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

Rick Lowe

Hey Kerick, could you use a gull wing style attachment? Per the I-153.

kerick

Quote from: Rick Lowe on September 29, 2024, 09:00:35 PMHey Kerick, could you use a gull wing style attachment? Per the I-153.

That's a good idea. It would keep the canopy clear for the tourists.
" Somewhere, between half true, and completely crazy, is a rainbow of nice colours "
Tophe the Wise

Rick Lowe