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[NARSES2]

Not so much a combat sortie as a combat sauté...

Booked 

Cookbooked?

Noted 

[NARSES2]

Reminds me of the bendy buses they tried around Southampton. Now there was a bad idea....

I may have mis-read, but can real world things like jet powered railway engines or the gas turbine powered Rover be included?

I can remember bendy buses in London, but only traveled on them a couple of times. They were ok until rush hour and the bus filled with standing passengers. If you were astride the "bendy bit" it got interesting 

As for jet powered railway engines and the Rover. I think it's a case of how the technology is used. In Kit's example it was reasonable and could of been developed, but an Inter City train with an afterburner at the rear ?

[zenrat]

Have none of you watched The Big Bus?

Raise the Flags Of All Nations!

That's the one.
 

[PR19_Kit]

Weren't there jet engines mounted on hover or air effect rail experiments done in Germany or France??
I know some of the test rail structures and track are still there .

The New York Central mounted a B-36 outer jet pod on the roof of a Budd RDC railcar in the US and got it up to 180 mph or so, but it wasn't a real attempt for a passenger carrying train, it was to test what they COULD do.




And in France they had a turbine powered tracked hovercraft, built by Bertin I think, that reached almost 250 mph. but that didn't get any further than a research project either.

[PR19_Kit]

In Kit's example it was reasonable and could of been developed, but an Inter City train with an afterburner at the rear ?

The APT-E (Advanced Passenger Train - Experimental) that I worked on had ten turbines, five in each power car, and each drove an alternator to provide electrical power to the traction motors mounted on each power bogie.

Each turbine pushed out 350 bhp, and originally came from the Leyland Gas Turbine Truck project, and we used more of them than the truck project did! BR really wanted to use a RR Dart in each power car but RR didn't want to play for such a small production run, even though they were just down the road, about 2 miles away!

The planned production turbine powered APTs would have used RR Tynes, but of course it never got that far.

[Charlie_c67]

Slightly off topic Kit, but are you aware that Rapido have produced an OO gauge model of the APT-E? Expensive, but looks very much the part.

[PR19_Kit]

Oh yes, I was heavily involved with its production. I was a founder member of the Support Group for the real train at the Shildon Museum, and Rapido asked us to help out in getting it correct. And it certainly IS correct. 

I've got two of them, an early one and a the later WhatIf version in the InterCity livery.

[Wardukw]

Weren't there jet engines mounted on hover or air effect rail experiments done in Germany or France??
I know some of the test rail structures and track are still there .

The New York Central mounted a B-36 outer jet pod on the roof of a Budd RDC railcar in the US and got it up to 180 mph or so, but it wasn't a real attempt for a passenger carrying train, it was to test what they COULD do.




And in France they had a turbine powered tracked hovercraft, built by Bertin I think, that reached almost 250 mph. but that didn't get any further than a research project either.

I remembered the US one . It looked like they stole one of the engine pods from a B-36 and slapped to the roof 😳 

The French one I believe is the one I couldn't quite remember..they built two machines I believe and when it was over they left em to rot in a old warehouse somewhere...one was destroyed by fire and I think that one got restored and is in a museum now ...no idea about the other one.

[Weaver]

The Soviets tried it too. Behold the "SVL", with two Yak-40 engine pods on the top:

[Wardukw]

The Soviets tried it too. Behold the "SVL", with two Yak-40 engine pods on the top:

Yeah I wonder where they got that idea from ?? 

[PR19_Kit]

It looked like they stole one of the engine pods from a B-36 and slapped to the roof 😳 

That's EXACTLY what they did, except both Convair and the USAF were in on the deal.

IIRC the pod went back to Convair afterwards and into the USAF's B-36 spares programme.

[Nick]

Weren't there jet engines mounted on hover or air effect rail experiments done in Germany or France??
I know some of the test rail structures and track are still there .

Worth noting that some of the Aerotrain tests were rocket assisted 

Nice monument on a roundabout in Gometz near the original track - https://maps.app.goo.gl/zCPBgue52uUEpytW8
Much of the test track from Saran to Artenay is still standing - https://maps.app.goo.gl/JJ1aUfmvBM875RPb9
The station and hangar at Chevilly also survives - https://maps.app.goo.gl/4EDEd7WsMrfh5U6G9

Revell made a kit of the German TransRapid monorail project which is available for silly money on Ebay. The real thing is in use in Shanghai.

There was the Tracked Hovercraft system trialled briefly near Peterborough across the Fens. Mixture of hovercraft and electromagnet maglev technology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracked_Hovercraft

[PR19_Kit]

There was the Tracked Hovercraft system trialled briefly near Peterborough across the Fens. Mixture of hovercraft and electromagnet maglev technology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracked_Hovercraft

The Tracked Hovercraft vehicle itself still exists and it's mounted on a bit of their monorail type track at the Peterborough Station of the Nene Valley railway.

It was in competition for Government funding with the APT which I was on, but they went with the more conventional system, and BOTH ended up getting cancelled! 

[crudebuteffective]

Honest, I'm really NOT trying to be a revolting pedant, but would a really good idea, such as a VTOL fighter  (a Harrier for instance)  but appallingly badly designed and executed (a Rockwell XFV-12  for example)  be appropriate/ acceptable in this build?

i will check with the other mod and get back to you

CBE

[Wardukw]

It looked like they stole one of the engine pods from a B-36 and slapped to the roof 😳 

That's EXACTLY what they did, except both Convair and the USAF were in on the deal.

IIRC the pod went back to Convair afterwards and into the USAF's B-36 spares programme.

Well would ya look at that 🤔 👀 😅
An off the wall guess which was bang on 😆
A bloody easy way to get power in one already made unit 👍

Weren't there jet engines mounted on hover or air effect rail experiments done in Germany or France??
I know some of the test rail structures and track are still there .

Worth noting that some of the Aerotrain tests were rocket assisted 

Nice monument on a roundabout in Gometz near the original track - https://maps.app.goo.gl/zCPBgue52uUEpytW8
Much of the test track from Saran to Artenay is still standing - https://maps.app.goo.gl/JJ1aUfmvBM875RPb9
The station and hangar at Chevilly also survives - https://maps.app.goo.gl/4EDEd7WsMrfh5U6G9

Revell made a kit of the German TransRapid monorail project which is available for silly money on Ebay. The real thing is in use in Shanghai.

There was the Tracked Hovercraft system trialled briefly near Peterborough across the Fens. Mixture of hovercraft and electromagnet maglev technology.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tracked_Hovercraft

Nick mate that's the bugger all right ...didn't know about that first link tho...that's probably where the first prototype went ..maybe 
The second link is what I was trying to remember...much cheaper to leave it in place I'd bet than to remove it all and good on em for it too
.it's a cool piece of history 😎