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German 13.0cm SD.Kfz 188 Selbstfahrlafette "Sturer Anmil"

Started by Wardukw, February 28, 2025, 08:59:35 PM

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Wardukw

February 28, 2025, 08:59:35 PM
Right ..a bad idea ..this one has been in the noggin since this GB was expected and boy have I been impatient 😆
Here's the idea for the build ...what if you took a very heavy tank chassis with an underpowered engine...weak transmission and damn near zero fuel economy and then stuffed a 130mm anti tank gun on the back of it which was a prototype gun which dew to  extreme desperation was thrown into service only to discover that the promised large quantities of ammunition were destroyed in an Allied bombing raid on the factory three weeks into the vehicles service when the machines were already deep into combat .

Well you'd end up with what I'm gonna build here.

What I'm going to use to build this is a Hobbyboss King Tiger and Trumpeter Sturer Emil...both brand new kits (start pics shortlyish) .
I'm going to change the gun barrel to that from a Pak44 as I've never really liked the barrel of the Emil or the muzzle break .
Zero ideas about the paint scheme yet but I've got ideas and some things I want to try  ;)
Much more of this to follow  :thumbsup:
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
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Wardukw

#1
March 04, 2025, 07:29:05 PM
Righto then ,,heres the start up pics which are required by the law of Chris ,,the maker of rules  ;D
DSCF4938 by Phill Harrison, on Flickr
DSCF4939 by Phill Harrison, on Flickr

Heres some progress ive made on it so far ,,,not a difficult build by any means ...this one is going to be more of a painting exercise..
First off ..move engine cover to the middle...at the same time making it bloody near impossible to work on said engine without having to remove the engine access covers entirely .
DSCF4945 by Phill Harrison, on Flickr
DSCF4946 by Phill Harrison, on Flickr
DSCF4947 by Phill Harrison, on Flickr
DSCF4948 by Phill Harrison, on Flickr
DSCF4949 by Phill Harrison, on Flickr
The casemate is fitted now but so i could mount the gun later i cut the tiny little roof section out ..
DSCF4950 by Phill Harrison, on Flickr
DSCF4951 by Phill Harrison, on Flickr

More to follow gents .
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

Old Wombat

#2
March 05, 2025, 02:01:38 AM
Looking interesting, mate. :thumbsup:

Quote from: Wardukw on March 04, 2025, 07:29:05 PMFirst off ..move engine cover to the middle...at the same time making it bloody near impossible to work on said engine without having to remove the engine access covers entirely .

In other words; SOP for German WW2 AFV's, in many cases removing the gun was also recommended. ;)
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zenrat

#3
March 05, 2025, 02:29:19 AM
I'm not sure if the gun is big enough...
Fred

- Can't be bothered to do the proper research and get it right.

Another ill conceived, lazily thought out, crudely executed and badly painted piece of half arsed what-if modelling muppetry from zenrat industries.

zenrat industries:  We're everywhere...for your convenience..

PR19_Kit

#4
March 05, 2025, 04:18:51 AM
Quote from: zenrat on March 05, 2025, 02:29:19 AMI'm not sure if the gun is big enough...


I had similar thoughts, is it the same scale as the tank itself?  :o
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jcf

#5
March 05, 2025, 07:22:06 AM
The designation is too short, needs more syllables. 
:wacko:

Wardukw

#6
March 05, 2025, 10:51:52 AM
😄😄😄😄
Glad you guys are picking on this build 😆
Guy mate ..you couldn't be more right ...im certain they had a design department just for bad ideas which they'd swing as good ideas 😅

As for the gun ...that lenght is just right ✅️
It is a PAK44 12.8cm towed AT gun which I didn't even bother to cut down and yep..it's 1/35th Kit 😀
The PAK44 was a bloody massive weapon and there's two versions of it  :o
Rheinmetall and Krupp built one each ..the barrel for this is from the Rheinmetall K44 AT gun which I can find bugger all info on ..I used to have a book which was on German artillery and I called it my arty bible..it was brilliant..now..Google sucks compared to the book.
To give you some ideas about how stupid these two guns were here's some info's for y'all.
The Krupp one is easy ..so here's a starter ..the 8.8cm Pak 43/41 L71 at gun..nicknamed the barn door by the doors sods who had to use it weighted in a over 4 tons and the shell weight over 10kgs .
The Pak44 however weighted over 10 tons and the shell weighted over 28 kgs  :o
So prefect for this pile of crap.
Oh I'm also thinking of making something much worse 🤔
I'll do some measurements first tho  ;)

Jon ...Hahahaha..smart arse  :thumbsup:
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

scooter

#7
March 05, 2025, 11:16:00 AM
Personally I'd have used either Jagdtiger or Ferdinand/Elefant (and then you get Dr. Porsche's finicky petrol-electric drivetrain, talk about a bad idea :wacko: ) as the hull, but that's just me.
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Wardukw

#8
March 05, 2025, 12:20:48 PM
Quote from: scooter on March 05, 2025, 11:16:00 AMPersonally I'd have used either Jagdtiger or Ferdinand/Elefant (and then you get Dr. Porsche's finicky petrol-electric drivetrain, talk about a bad idea :wacko: ) as the hull, but that's just me.
Well it is sitting on a king tiger chassis so the first part is there 😆
But your thinking along the same lines Scoot but thinking of even worse fuel economy and more weight and complexity  :wacko:
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

buzzbomb

#9
March 05, 2025, 01:44:10 PM
This melding of two kits is working out. I like where it is going.

I like the Pak 44 for what it was designed for, long range anti tank work.
The  Red Gambit Series  of  "What if The Russians attacked the West in late 1945" has a great description of Pak44 in action. Specializing in sniping Russian tanks at over 2000m

Wardukw

#10
March 05, 2025, 08:34:32 PM
Quote from: buzzbomb on March 05, 2025, 01:44:10 PMThis melding of two kits is working out. I like where it is going.

I like the Pak 44 for what it was designed for, long range anti tank work.
The  Red Gambit Series  of  "What if The Russians attacked the West in late 1945" has a great description of Pak44 in action. Specializing in sniping Russian tanks at over 2000m
Brian mate the Pak44 is far more lethal than that ..that thing had a max range of 24 kms ..hell the Pak43 L71 88mm could kill tanks at over 4kms away ..the dudes got their info well wrong 😂 😄
The 44 could easily kill at 6 to 8ks if the tank doesn't move 🤔  ;D
An extremely powerful weapon for its time dude for certain.
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

frank2056

#11
March 06, 2025, 09:41:07 AM
This beast certainly looks impressive! It would end up as a fixed fortification when it ran out of fuel 3-4 km from its base. Or stuck in the mud!

Wardukw

#12
March 06, 2025, 09:49:20 AM
Quote from: frank2056 on March 06, 2025, 09:41:07 AMThis beast certainly looks impressive! It would end up as a fixed fortification when it ran out of fuel 3-4 km from its base. Or stuck in the mud!
Thank ya Frank mate and keep that fuel issue in mind ..im going to sort out the engine access problem too  ;D  ;)  :wacko:
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .

loupgarou

#13
March 06, 2025, 10:33:38 AM
Quote from: Wardukw on March 06, 2025, 09:49:20 AM
Quote from: frank2056 on March 06, 2025, 09:41:07 AMThis beast certainly looks impressive! It would end up as a fixed fortification when it ran out of fuel 3-4 km from its base. Or stuck in the mud!
Thank ya Frank mate and keep that fuel issue in mind ..im going to sort out the engine access problem too  ;D  ;)  :wacko:


No, no. That MUST stay UNresolved, it's a german project!  ;D
Owing to the current financial difficulties, the light at the end of the tunnel will be turned off until further notice.

Wardukw

#14
March 06, 2025, 10:37:06 AM
Quote from: loupgarou on March 06, 2025, 10:33:38 AM
Quote from: Wardukw on March 06, 2025, 09:49:20 AM
Quote from: frank2056 on March 06, 2025, 09:41:07 AMThis beast certainly looks impressive! It would end up as a fixed fortification when it ran out of fuel 3-4 km from its base. Or stuck in the mud!
Thank ya Frank mate and keep that fuel issue in mind ..im going to sort out the engine access problem too  ;D  ;)  :wacko:


No, no. That MUST stay UNresolved, it's a german project!  ;D
Have no fares Lou ol mate ...it's going to be solved in the best and worst possible way  :wacko:  :wacko:
If it aint broke ,,fix it until it is .
Over kill is often very understated .
I know the voices in my head ain't real but they do come up with some great ideas.
Theres few of lifes problems that can't be solved with the proper application of a high explosive projectile .
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