Trainers With Teeth and COIN Group Build

[Ed S]

Chris

Malaysia bought some of the Tutors configured as ground attack a/c for the COIN role.  You might be able to find some pictures of them to use as a guide showing weapons or pylons. 

Ed

[chrisonord]

Cheers Ed, I was going to base the weapons/pylon layout on the ones on my A-37's. I have built one, which is going to be part of my Honduran airforce wing, the other might belong to the US Marines, or it may also be donated to the Hondurans.
I am in the process of converting a Eurocopter Dauphin as an assault helo for them also.

[Weaver]

Funny, I'm going to do my single-seat Magister in Honduran colours: the back story is that it's an Israeli conversion, and since the Israelis sold them Super Mysteres, they might also have sold them the Magister COINs too.

[chrisonord]

Funny, I'm going to do my single-seat Magister in Honduran colours: the back story is that it's an Israeli conversion, and since the Israelis sold them Super Mysteres, they might also have sold them the Magister COINs too.

I too have an old Airfix Fouga Magister, quite an old one 1974 NIB, I dont know what to do with it as it could be worth a few quid. It would make a good COIN aircraft, I am just waiting to get my mits on some Honduran decals.
My Honduran airforce is quite a mixed bunch of aircraft now. I just got 2 new aircraft for it this morning, a DHC-7 and a F-5e tiger 2.
My other aircraft are as follows (sorry about the off topic stuff people).
2 A-37 dragonflies, 2 Pucara's, 2 Toucano's, a turbo mentor, 2 F-84 conversions,1 AC- 160 Transall gunship, 1 AC-119 gunship,1 Nord Atlas,2 Mirage 2000's 1 super Etendard, 1 AO/P-2 Turbo Neptune Coin/Gunship. 1 Shorts sky van,1 Canadair Tutor, 2 UH-1 D's, 1 HH-65 Dauphin, 1 OH-6,2 Gazelles. I think that is everything lol. There is probably more than the Hondurans actually have lol. I have been trying to find some 1/72nd scale Super mysteres,but finding them is pretty hard.
Chris.   

[Weaver]

My idea of Israel supplying single-seat Magisters to Honduras was based solely on the fact of them supplying the SMB2s. Interestingly, I subsequently found out that Israel really did supply Magisters (normal ones, obviously) and Ouragans to El Salvador at the same time! Nice work if you can get it: supplying BOTH sides of an arms race.....

Chris: When I do mine, I'll make it perfectly clear that my project is NOT related to yours, just in case.

My intention is to do it as a "dogfight double" with a Nicaraguan single-seat Iskra which I have. At the same time, but not directly in this GB, I'll do an Israeli swept-wing "Super Magister" which explains why they've got straight wing ones surplus for conversion and export.

[Mossie]

Is there such a thing as a Long-EZ kit?  I think it'd look great in camo with rocket pods or small bombs.  Just think, you could build your own private army!

Versions have had external tanks fitted & the XCOR EZ-Rocket has an underslung tank, adding ordanance isn't much of a stretch.

[pyro-manic]

That's a good idea! Rocket pods, a couple of .50 machine guns, and maybe some Hellfires.

[Spey_Phantom]

ive been thinking of some COIN concepts myself 
as the A-37's are getting a little old,  ithought why doesnt BAe build a better COIN version of the Hawk.
sure these days they build the Hawk 200 1-seat attack aircraft, but i made my own version, the second cockpit was removed for more electronics and more fuel 

and if they dont like it, there's always my spitfire GB entry, the Spitfire OA.60 



other COIN platforms im concidereing are

-Fock-Wulf Flitzer (got 2 in the stash)
-O-1 Bird Dog (small, but can be modified with some gun pods)
-Gnat trainers (why not, they had a big role in "Hot Shots")
-Alpha-Jet (Guatemala was interested in buying 10 Ex-belgian Ajets to replace the A-37 in 2005)
-K-8
-Dornier 228 (Gunship configuration à la AC-47 "Spooky")


i got the insperation for modifying this hawk from looking at the mitsubishi F-1 and the SU-25 frogfoot/scorpion 
although depicted is a HAwk T.1, i plan to modify a Hawk 100 for this one 

[chrisonord]

The Hawk would make a good Coin aircraft and even as a 2 seater,it could have a duel role as a combat trainer. That Spitfire is marvellous!
I have been looking at ww2 aircraft for a while now to convert into turbo prop coin aircraft, but have not found anything I really want to convert, except maybe an aircobra, or P-51D. I have another F-84 in the stash that I am going to convert, but this one will have more of an air to air capability with the wing tanks cut off and replaced with sidewinder rails, and 2 rapid fire/Gatling cannon pods. These wil be handy for taking out drug runner planes and helicopters.
Tomorrow I will try and take some pics of my current COIN project, a turbo fan powered S-2 Tracker. This was going to be a turbo prop but ended up being jet powered, it has a 20 mm cannon in a turret that is augmented by the FLIR pod on the starboard side, for close support of ground forces, 4 hellfire missiles, 4 rocket pods, 2 sidewinders, 1 ecm pod, and a built in forward firing 30 mm cannon, and a LANTIRN pod. I am still not decided on the current paint scheme(its on its third lol), and the canopy just did not want to fit properly, so it looks a bit crap, but you can't have everything can you!!
Chris.

[Weaver]

Is there such a thing as a Long-EZ kit?  I think it'd look great in camo with rocket pods or small bombs.  Just think, you could build your own private army!

Versions have had external tanks fitted & the XCOR EZ-Rocket has an underslung tank, adding ordanance isn't much of a stretch.

Cardoen in Chile do a 37mm rocket that comes in 7-round pods: ideal for a micro-COIN.

[Weaver]

Chris

Malaysia bought some of the Tutors configured as ground attack a/c for the COIN role.  You might be able to find some pictures of them to use as a guide showing weapons or pylons. 

Ed

My reference book says 6 pylons and a 4000lb warload, which is pretty good, given that the Tutor isn't exactly over-powered. It has a nice colour profile of the Malaysian one too, but no pylons shown, unfortunately.

Thinking about side-by-side trainers generally, does anyone remember the COIN version of the SIPA Micro-jet? It had a 20mm cannon in place of one seat: you could do that kind of thing on any number of other side-by-side trainers too.

[chrisonord]

I am sure, seen as it is a whatif, re-engine it, with a slightly more powerful unit I'm sure a reasonable weapons load it would make a usable weapons platform. I have an old (1973) Dornier Alphajet kit that I think would be a good CAS/COIN aircraft.
Well I think my weapons stash is going to get severely depleted after this lot!
Chris. 

[chrisonord]

Here is a couple of pictures of my S-2 Jet Tracker, COIN aircraft. I will put more in the ongoing/ finished projects thread.
She isn't finished as yet, the paint needs alot of changing and finishing, as the canopy was a nightmare to get to fit properly.


I think this plane could be quite a formidable adversary.
Chris

[chrisonord]

Well....this thread seems to have dropped off the face of the earth..
I have a few different suitable aircraft, Mohawks, Bronco's Alpha jets, F-84 converts, Tucano's, Pucara's, S- jet tracker, Fouga Magister. How about a turbo prop P-38 coin aircraft??   

[Ian the Kiwi Herder]

iother COIN platforms im concidereing are

-Alpha-Jet (Guatemala was interested in buying 10 Ex-belgian Ajets to replace the A-37 in 2005)

Mine is sitting quietly next to my workbench - the back-story was written only last night, all that is needed now is the GO signal from Komrade Anatoly 

Ian