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Asymmetric readings

Started by Tophe, September 09, 2005, 10:18:45 PM

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Tophe

Scenario 1 for the Packet: what-if we mix the final twin-engined cargo Fairchild F-78 (XC-82, top) with the former glider E-78 (CG-82, bottom)? We get the asymmetric single-engined G-78 (YC-82, right)...

Scenario 2: the rear loading door was the main feature of the Packet, requiring twin-tail-booms; the second feature was the very maximum room for the load, thus:
- vertical retraction of the front gear in the nose
- cockpit somewhere above
- main landing gears laterally from a W-wing
- single engine somewhere, for instance in front of a boom...
The genius asymmetric G-78 (Great-78) was born, and to fool the spies, a more classical twin-engined was designed in 2-minutes (F-78 meaning Fake-78) and the short tail-boom manufacture was 'justified' by a fake glider E-78 (Economic F-78)...
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

#16
(I direct to this topic in my Web site for asymmetric aircraft http://cmeunier.chez-alice.fr/Asymm_addition.htm , so...)
In my gallery of what-if very asymmetric models (not twin-tail, at least at first), I would like to gather:
- the Grumman-Fairey/Glenn-Tophe Gyrodyneye E-2R
from http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...?showtopic=7569

- the Consolidated/Tophe PBY-33 Singalina from http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...showtopic=10467

- the Blohm-und-Voss/Tophe Bv 141F-4 from http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...?showtopic=8622

- the Westalnd/Tophe SingleWind from http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...?showtopic=6128


- and I may add here the Martin/Tophe Maringle PBM-11 single-engined single float Mariner (secret copy of the Singalina):
thanks to http://www.vectorsite.net/avmars.html
and as this is the twin-tail forum: the Twin-Maringle PBM-22:
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

If we compare a Spitfire and a Hurricane, close to one another, side by side, that would look like an asymmetric Zwilling: HurriSpit Mk5...


Maybe this is the source of the model at MartinH's http://groups.msn.com/TheWhatifandoddballm...to&PhotoID=2026

With a truncated rear, starboard (Hurricane?) side. I am not sure at all, maybe this is just a Twin-Spitfire... Wonderful anyway.
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

As a model ( http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...showtopic=10851 ), I truncated the F5U-1 into the asymmetric F5U-5 (rather than truncating it into the twin-lifting-boom F5U-6), while it could have been done on paper, comparing a half F5U-1 and a half glider F5U-0, meeting almost this topic's subject BUT this is single tail... So let us compare, side by side a F5U-0 and a F5U-1 to get a twin-tail asymmetric F5U-01 ! Very surprisingly, the twin fins are supported by the starboard tail while the port tail has no fin...
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

#19
Quoteasymmetric PBY-333 Catilina: a single float with an engine weight above to lean on this side, and a very short (and light) wing on the other side...:
Well asymmetry (in the topic http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...showtopic=10467 ) is fun, but I need twin-booms too... So let us try it again:

The parasol wing of the PBY Catalina was rather fragile, with just a pylon central link to the hull, and this would have been consolidated by booms linking the wing/engines and the tail, like on the Sikorsky S-38/39/40 (see http://www.airventure.org/2005/news/images...sky_s38_300.jpg ). This would have given the PBY-5TB (triplex-boom) Solidalina. Then, comparing PBY-5 and PBY-5TB, side by side, we get the asymmetric PBY-5tB Enoughalina: twin-boom... with a big port twin-sister and a tiny starboard twin-sister.
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

QuoteI truncated the F5U-1 into the asymmetric F5U-5
What if the asymmetric single-tail F5U-5 of early 1945 was turned into the asymmetric twin-tail F5U-55 of late 1945?

(from the topic http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...showtopic=10851 )
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

Let us compare the Douglas C-47 :)  & Douglas C-54 :) ... into a Doudouglas C-547 twin-fuselage asymmetric freak... :blink:  :wacko:

[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

from http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...80&#entry158679 :
Quotefrom 5-engined Ju 452Z V0 to 3-engined Ju 452Z V1...
(thanks to the same source http://www.luftarchiv.de/index.htm?http://...nkers/ju252.htm )
Well, port V0 + starboard V1 makes an asymmetric Zwilling...
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

#23
Of course, the Ju 452Z V2 was not asymmetric enough, and the final V3 went deep further :blink:  :wacko: :
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Tophe

QuoteAs well, comparing side by side a C-47 Dakota and a CG-17 glider-derivative is more funny if you imagine this is an asymmetric twin-plane (C-47CG-17).
And a GP-38 with a P-38 can make a single-engine P-38GP...
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Brian da Basher

I know this isn't asymmetric, but I like the idea of a P-38 with only one engine and a pusher prop behind the cockpit....kinda like a W.W. II version of a DH-2.
:rolleyes:
Brian da Basher

Tophe

Don't feel sorry :(  :) : the single-propeller version (P-74S) of my avatar (P-74C) is matching your dream and giving me a "reason" to imagine a further asymmetric mix : P-38S = port P-38, central P-74S, starboard GP-38 ! :blink:  :wacko:

Every delirium is much welcome ^_^  (as you nicely allow me not to build in plastic every one... ;) )
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Brian da Basher

#27
How could I have missed noticing your avatar is a single-engined, pusher P-38? :dum:

Oh yeah, lack of sleep due to job stress, of course.

Love your ideas Tophe! Keep 'em coming!

Brian da Basher

P.S. It seems you really like P-38s. Have you heard of the famous French author who flew them during the war?

Tophe

Yes, I know that Antoine de Saint-Exupery, famous French author, died on a Lightning. He was born 10miles from my home and his first flight occured 5 miles from my home. Among my non-what-if P-38s (at different scales), the blue one is a French reco F-5 possibly piloted by him:
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Brian da Basher

I'm a huge fan of "The Little Prince" and of your absolutely gorgeous Lightnings! Thanks for posting that pic. You're one incredibly talented modeller, Tophe!

It is only with the heart that one can see rightly...

Brian da Basher