Shorts Skyvan and Sherpa

[Mossie]

Found this, thought the scheme might work for an Ice Cream Skyvan!

More funky Skyvans from Pink Aviation here!

[Weaver]

Curry Skyvan!  I love it!  Fly in, detach the wings, open a side hatch & serve overpriced takeaway food to the masses!  There'd be it's chip Skyvan & burger Skyvan equivalents too!  Think you've found a niche there Jeff!

Detach the wings hell - you drag a canvas awning and a few poles out of the back and sling it over them: "well you can eat our curry in the dry or their burgers in the rain mate....."

[NARSES2]

I've been looking on site for Mike Wren's fantastic "Man in a white Skyvan" model, but can't find it   I'll have to dig out the brochure I did and scan it

FOUND IT  

http://www.whatifmodelers.com/index.php/topic,10185.0/highlight,skyvan.html

[Weaver]

Going back to the helicopter idea, I just realised that the Kamov Ka-25's engines and rotor system is perfect for the Skyvan. Although the Hormone's body is smaller than the Budgie's (but not by much), it's MTO is 4000lb higher and it's rotor diameter 10ft greater than the Skyvan's length.

[jcf]

The Hunting-Percival P.74 and related tip-jet driven helicopter projects seem like the perfect antecedent to a Skyvan helo:
http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/percival_p-74.php

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1955/1955%20-%201815.html

particularly the  P.105 project:
http://www.aviastar.org/helicopters_eng/percival_p-105.php
"The engine/rotor unit was a complete unit and could be fitted above any type of fuselage."

Jon

[Mossie]

If there was such a thing as a P.74 kit, it would look good whiffed into a Skyvan style light transport.  Real World, the Miles Aerovan pretty much fitted the bill as the Skyvan's predecessor of course, that too might look good with all the various evil plans mentioned here!

[PR19_Kit]

Miles re-fitted one Aerovan 4 with Hurel-Dubois type wings, it was at a Farnborough Show in the 50s sometime when I was there.

It looked totally impossible, this flying egg fuselage with pen-knife blade wings, and it had a RIDICULOUSLY short take-off run! As I recall that experiment is what started Shorts on the Skyvan idea, and both of them used the struts to gain significant amounts of lift.

[jcf]

Miles re-fitted one Aerovan 4 with Hurel-Dubois type wings, it was at a Farnborough Show in the 50s sometime when I was there.

It looked totally impossible, this flying egg fuselage with pen-knife blade wings, and it had a RIDICULOUSLY short take-off run! As I recall that experiment is what started Shorts on the Skyvan idea, and both of them used the struts to gain significant amounts of lift.

That was the HDM-105, the concept was further developed as proposed the HDM-106 Caravan.
Shorts purchased the HDM-106 design from Miles and it was the starting point for what eventually
emerged as the Skyvan.

[rickshaw]

Miles re-fitted one Aerovan 4 with Hurel-Dubois type wings, it was at a Farnborough Show in the 50s sometime when I was there.

It looked totally impossible, this flying egg fuselage with pen-knife blade wings, and it had a RIDICULOUSLY short take-off run! As I recall that experiment is what started Shorts on the Skyvan idea, and both of them used the struts to gain significant amounts of lift.

That was the HDM-105, the concept was further developed as proposed the HDM-106 Caravan.
Shorts purchased the HDM-106 design from Miles and it was the starting point for what eventually
emerged as the Skyvan.

Just by chance I came across this reference in the Flight Archive:

H.D.M.106. An experimental prototype of this interesting new transport project is now
being constructed by Miles at their aerodrome factory at Shoreham. It is an Anglo-French
venture, the initials H.D.M. signifying Hurel-Dubois and Miles. The idea was to conjoin
the aerodynamic advantages of the high aspect ratio wing (in which, of course, Hurel-Dubois
excel) with a small but capacious fuselage (15 passengers or a ton-and-a-half of freight)
with big rearward-opening doors, thus combining in a small vehicle the commercial advantages
of freighting as well as passenger-carrying. In its initial (H.D.M.105) experimental
form—in which it will fly next year—the aircraft will be a Miles Aerovan modified to take
a new high aspect ratio wing of 75ft span.

[Source]

[Weaver]

So if one of us (it might not be me) does turn a Budgie into a helicopter, what should be do with the spare wings? What would benefit most, or most entertainingly, from the Hurel Dubois treatment?

[Mossie]

Sovietise it, use a Mi-8 fuselage???

[JayBee]

So if one of us (it might not be me) does turn a Budgie into a helicopter, what should be do with the spare wings? What would benefit most, or most entertainingly, from the Hurel Dubois treatment?

A Long Skyvan, as opposed to a Short Skyvan ?

OK Coat, Hat, job.

JimB

[ChernayaAkula]

Sovietise it, use a Mi-8 fuselage???

Sounds like a cool idea! And use the rest of the parts to make a Skyvan helo!

[Weaver]

So if one of us (it might not be me) does turn a Budgie into a helicopter, what should be do with the spare wings? What would benefit most, or most entertainingly, from the Hurel Dubois treatment?

In answer to my own question, how about sticking the wings and engines on a Wessex and replacing the original enginer bay with a clamshell nose-doors to make a sort of mini-Bristol Freighter?

[ChernayaAkula]

^ Now that's just inspired!