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Dassault Super Mirage G8A

Started by GTX, April 01, 2006, 01:33:40 PM

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Tophe

Thanks a very lot for this addition! :D
Uh... I am just surprised the 6000 did not come after the 4000... :(  
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Archibald

Apparently the 2000 and 4000 were studied from 1972. But the problem is the same, because the 6000 was presented in Le Bourget in...1969!!!
I think its because the M53 program was launched in 1968. We can think that the very first drawings of the 2000/4000 date back from this era... and this probably include the 6000.  
King Arthur: Can we come up and have a look?
French Soldier: Of course not. You're English types.
King Arthur: What are you then?
French Soldier: I'm French. Why do you think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king?

Well regardless I would rather take my chance out there on the ocean, that to stay here and die on this poo-hole island spending the rest of my life talking to a gosh darn VOLLEYBALL.

Tophe

#32
Thanks for this unknown part of the Mirage family History... :)
If it is (officially) untrue, let us simply say "what if...?" :D

After the SuperMirage and MegaMirage, let someone imagine (build?) the UltraMirage and GigaMirage... :lol:
(I have tried, with a Mirage 6000M in my Zwilling-Mirage topic: http://www.whatifmodelers.com/forum//index...=0&#entry132577 )
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Archibald

Have you read the article on the ACF and 4000 in le Fana (July-september 2004?) Talking about the ACF they briefly mentionned that in June 1969, Aviation Magazine talked about a delta wing, mach3 Mirage. Don't know why, but I'm sure the Mega Mirage picture come from this magazine...
I made models of the G8 (starting from a Mig-23) of the ACF (from a Mirage F1) and 4000 (scratch). I think it could be easy to make a MegaMirage starting from a MiG-25...  
King Arthur: Can we come up and have a look?
French Soldier: Of course not. You're English types.
King Arthur: What are you then?
French Soldier: I'm French. Why do you think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king?

Well regardless I would rather take my chance out there on the ocean, that to stay here and die on this poo-hole island spending the rest of my life talking to a gosh darn VOLLEYBALL.

Tophe

Do you have only photocopies (as you put a question mark on the magazine issues)? I have the originals: Le Fana #416/417/418. They do not include your nice picture of MegaMirage, and I am pretty sure no older issue of this magazine includes it - I am a suscriber since #99 (with a little stop when I was student) and I bought maybe 30 of the missing issues (before #98 or near #150). I am not the complete reference but not far. Maybe JCC could tell us more? Or his contacts currently writing "Projets Français Secrets" (having refused :angry:  to cooperate with Tony Buttler on that, keeping all for their own - I fear they would not share with us either, I have such a bad experience for the Payen projects, all kept secret, preventing the poor old engineer to be celebrated worldwide before he dies :( )...
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

Archibald

The question mark was an error! I have too these numero of Le Fana... and they are very precious for me :P !
What I really want would be this famous Aviation Magazine of June 1969 which mentionne the Mirage 6000 (or Mega Mirage). alas, it must be difficult to find (:( )
apparetly a model of this plane was exposed in Le bourget, 1969 but I don't know more.
"Projets Français Secrets" is a new book? Who write it? release date? what subject?
I'm deseperately seeking informations about
- the Griffon III
- SuperCaravelle
- Trident and Durandal evolutions (cut by the Mirage III)
- Mirage IVC (Forerunner of the IVA; at the time in 1956-1958, it was a heavy fighter but the III was chosen instead)
- SO-4060 Cyclone
- SNECMA Super-Atar (9000 to 12000 kgp)
As you can see, I'm very interested in French projects from the late 50's (1956-1960) but there's very few datas on them... I discovered only recnetly that the French navy have ordered a Mach2 naval fighter to Breguet in 1958, the 1120 sirocco!  
King Arthur: Can we come up and have a look?
French Soldier: Of course not. You're English types.
King Arthur: What are you then?
French Soldier: I'm French. Why do you think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king?

Well regardless I would rather take my chance out there on the ocean, that to stay here and die on this poo-hole island spending the rest of my life talking to a gosh darn VOLLEYBALL.

Tophe

#36
Archie, do you have the 2 Docavia books of Jean Cuny about French combat aircraft projects 1944-64? I have them if you need.
Tony Buttler, after publishing his first Bristish Secret Projects books, asked me: do you know someone that could help me writing/illustrating a French Secret Projects? I forwarded the question on a French aircraft forum (that I have run away from, for years now, being badly attacked and insulted) and received just angry answers :angry: , of authors saying this subject was their own and let the British mind their own business... :(
I will not tell names. They were bad people. As for the Payen affair...

PS. I have many old Aviation Magazine issues, bought second hand, maybe the whole year 1969, could you tell me more precisely where to look for?
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]

elmayerle

I've got a spare set of the issues of Le Fana... with the Mirage 4000 articles, including the first one that cover the Mirage G8.  If anyone is interested, drop me a PM.
"Reality is the leading cause of stress amongst those in touch with it."
--Jane Wagner and Lily Tomlin

Archibald

Tophe what you say is very interesting!
I know the book of Jean Cuny. They are available from Le Fana (I didn't bought because they are a bit expensive for me).
Your proposal is very nice but I prefer buying them on the next future (maybe  there is too much things I'm interested  for a scan)  
Is there datas about the project I mentionned, in these books? I MUST ordered it (after all, I odered the two books of Buttler)

I don't know much about this peculiar aviation magazine. apparently it was in a numero from June 1969 (I don't if Aviation Magazine was monthly or weekly so...)
There was a project of a delta wing Mirage which was presented... (not very precise I regret)
Maybe you can have a look in the June 1969 part of your AvMag collection and tell me?
King Arthur: Can we come up and have a look?
French Soldier: Of course not. You're English types.
King Arthur: What are you then?
French Soldier: I'm French. Why do you think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king?

Well regardless I would rather take my chance out there on the ocean, that to stay here and die on this poo-hole island spending the rest of my life talking to a gosh darn VOLLEYBALL.

Archibald

Well I just decided : my birthday is in one month, so I know my present now : I will order the two books by Jean Cuny !!!!!!

But I'm still interested in Aviation Magazine scans (If you found the Delta Mirage despite my weak indications)  
King Arthur: Can we come up and have a look?
French Soldier: Of course not. You're English types.
King Arthur: What are you then?
French Soldier: I'm French. Why do you think I have this outrageous accent, you silly king?

Well regardless I would rather take my chance out there on the ocean, that to stay here and die on this poo-hole island spending the rest of my life talking to a gosh darn VOLLEYBALL.

Deltafan

#40
Hi !

It's not about "Super Mirage"  ^_^

but maybe about "Super Super Mirage" or "Super Rafale"...  :rolleyes:


I have two olds pictures of "after" Rafale. They come from an british-french programm about an future european fighter (FACE)

I had cut the first approximately in 1997 (I don't remember if it is a british, a french or a common study) and I copied the second (Dassault study) approximately in 2000:





Does somebody know this pictures ? If yes have you the text for the first and/or an orginal photo for the second ?


Regards
Deltafan

Zen

First picture looks like a variation of the FOAC (later FOAS) design that was made public by BAe.

Second looks more like a earlier machine, BAe did a subsonic LO 'penetrator' aircraft as a Tornado successor, possibly as a rival to the A12 or the F117 offering.
To win without fighting, that is the mastry of war.

Deltafan

#42
Internet is great !  :wub:

I searched on a german forum too, and the answers (a link) came !  :cheers:


http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/inde...php?topic=162.0

pometablava

Dear Friends Tophe and Archibald,

I have an original copy from Aviation Magazine No510 March 1969 where the Mach 3 Mirage is illustrated.

You can see some scans from advanced French projects at Overscan's forum:

http://www.secretprojects.co.uk/forum/inde...php?topic=180.0
Manzana in corpore sano

Tophe

#44
Great! Thanks a lot! :wub:
but... would this Dassault Mach 3 be named Mirage Mach 3 with such air-intakes? :blink:
[the word "realistic" hurts my heart...]