Aircraft Carriers

[dy031101]

Something I did to match an online story (the same alternate universe as that Shanghai Cavour; the design is based on schematics received from the US right before ex-PLA element of the military toppled the KMT-CCP coalition government and completed after the coup that led to a Russia-friendly government, hence the J-15 and the flag inherited from the PLAN days)......



I was kinda surprised that the Su-33 can fit through the hanger doors; it does have to fold its radome to use the elevators though, but I had it swinging sideways...... which might not be what a Su-27/33 as is is designed to.

Does anyone see any other problem with the picture?

[rickshaw]

What is the advantage of the "reverse angle" flight deck over the normal angled flight deck?

[dy031101]

Shiplover, being the origin shipbucket drawing's author, might know far better than I do on this subject, but if you want me to venture a guess...... maybe because it's a development of the SCS?

[McColm]

Wow!!

[sequoiaranger]

I see a problem with the flight deck layout. The "reverse angled deck" isn't really and "angled deck" at all--the deck is more "axial" than anything else. That is, the PURPOSE of an "angled deck" should be to have essentially TWO flight decks so that one can operate without interference from the other. One "decK" is for landing, and the other for taking off. And, the "angled deck" for landing is canted outward away from the main flight area so that if anything goes wrong with the approach or landing, the deck is "cleared" and nothing on THAT deck will affect the other one.

On this profile of a future Chinese carrier with the deck "angled" across the surface, there is no such separation---it is a "single deck" carrier (with some PARKING SPACE out of the way of a landing) and hasn't the flexibility to fly off and recover aircraft simultaneously. Seems very retrograde, since angled-deck carriers have been in use since 1956 (57?). What were they thinking?

[Thorvic]

Not quite, the Angled Deck is purely a landing aid, previously on a axial deck layout the aircraft landed by catching a wire and if the failed to then they carried on into the fwd part of the flight deck or Island. Hopefully a barrier would be erected to minimise the impact and damage. The angled deck was designed to direct the landing aircraft away from the centerline and out over the sea where they could bolt and try again, or drop into the drink but without the risk of effecting operations off the landing deck area.

However you are correct in that design being totally unsuitable, the SCS had a off set angled in take off deck as the best way to utilise space on a small STOVL carrier, however the SCS the aircraft recovered by vertical landing. With that Chinese design, your landing towards the island and deck park which would effect the pilots point of focus and increase the risk or aircraft veering off on landing into the island and the deck park !!!

[dy031101]

The story's background specifies an "anti-submarine carrier design from the US".  The first one to come in my mind was indeed the SCS, and Shiplover just so happens to have come up with a CTOL version over at the Shipbucket, so I figured that "nah it'd be just like an axial-deck carrier" and just changed around some aircraft and equipment......

Is there any other design that would fit the above-mentioned criteria but has a more suitable scheme?  Also preferably with a bit more space for defensive weapons (either AK-630 with associated FC radar or Kashtan) since I don't know if Type 730 exists in that story......  

[dy031101]

I'm trying to do mental notes within the following constraint- kinda of like Clemenceau class carrier with a British flavour (in terms of the ship itself; and therefore, for starters, I chose the 1952 Carrier Design as a basis), outfitted to the best of what is somewhat less sophisticated than the likes of AEGIS system warships or even the best US supercarriers.

How does this picture look?  Advise, comments, and suggestion would be greatly appreciated.

And could anyone suggest an AEW plane for it?  I'm trying to avoid the E-2.  S-70 for replacement ASW helicopters because...... the alternative might be Ka-25 just like in Ace Combat 04  

EDIT: Although likely not immediately visible due to what I believe to be a glitch of Photobucket, I switched around the forward and aft sponsons on the starboard side in order to achieve a Clemenceau-like arrangement in reversed order since the birdle catcher on the angled deck would IMO have obstructed the firing arc of the port-forward sponson if I put guns there.

Here is an illustration that is, thankfully, correct before the first upload.  

[jcf]

I'm trying to do mental notes within the following constraint- kinda of like Clemenceau class carrier with a British flavour

I think Radish is the most qualified to answer questions pertaining to stylish cross-dressing.
 

[GTX]

And could anyone suggest an AEW plane for it?  

What era?   Maybe an AEW version of the Breguet Br.1050 Alizé ?

Regards,

Greg

[dy031101]

What era?

I would like to keep it mostly late-70s or 80s, or as little as possible 90s.

The mental note is for an Ace-Combat-esque scenario along with these; the "Strike Cruisers" (and their operators) are meant to have state of the art technologies available; the above-posted carrier is meant to belong to their slightly less-sophisticated enemy.

What era?   Maybe an AEW version of the Breguet Br.1050 Alizé ?

Hum...... yeah, Alizé + Searchwater might be a choice.  But if the supported fighter is suggested to have a powerful radar (BSP book seems to hint that Type 583 was to be capable of functioning as a make-shift AEW plane), should I be concerned with choosing one that is "on the level"?  Or am I actually over-analyzing things?

[Thorvic]

Well there was the Blackburn P139 which was Viking meet Nimrod AEW, AEW HS-125 which sould be found on SecretProjects forum.

G

[dy031101]

Well there was the Blackburn P139 which was Viking meet Nimrod AEW, AEW HS-125 which sould be found on SecretProjects forum.

I paired the P139 with "the men behind the War" although the setting is incomplete and still subject to change.  



Actually...... the HS-125 is currently the prefered choice for the "Standard Carrier".  I don't know if I can do an accurate Shipbucket icon of it though!  

[royabulgaf]

How fast is ramming speed?  Actually, I like that trireme look, although I can't understand why these designs have extra hull length without a deck.   BTW, what is that tubby utility aircraft?

[dy031101]

Actually, I like that trireme look, although I can't understand why these designs have extra hull length without a deck.

It's actually modified from one of the USN's new CVN proposals that was to use the wave-piercing hull form.  And I think the design is also meant to separate flight operations control from navigation.

BTW, what is that tubby utility aircraft?

Blackburn P.139 as mentioned by Thorvic.  "The men behind the War" gave the AEW (the one with radomes on both ends) version a much more powerful mission computer and AESA radar set; the others are COD and tanker versions.